New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - What's up with Weaver
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

What's up with Weaver

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options Page  1 2>
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:22
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795
I received my V-9 a couple days ago and it is a great scope for the money.  I have not had a chance to mount it on my 673 guide rifle in a 6.5 Remington magnum, but will make haste of that shortly.  Meade no longer lists Weaver on their website.   www.weaveroptics.com no longer opens up.  Does anybody no what's up with Weaver.  Calling on Chris or Koshkin to fill us in.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:31
Nic K. View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/20/2008
Location: Beaverton OR.
Status: Offline
Points: 23
Meade sold Weaver to ATK, (www.atk.com).  This happened just a couple days ago so nobody really knows whats going on or what the future will be for Weaver.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:32
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795
Thanks Nic.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:35
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795

Well Meade really took them off of their website really quick, but atk did not add them yet.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:41
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
atk owns nitrex too doesnt it??
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:43
Nic K. View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/20/2008
Location: Beaverton OR.
Status: Offline
Points: 23
I believe so.......so the plot thickens.....
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:47
tahqua View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Have You Driven A Ford Lately?

Joined: March/27/2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 8044
I remember the days when you had a Leupold, Weaver or a Redfield if you wanted the best. Times sure have changed for Redfield and Weaver. I wonder whats up for Redfield?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 16:49
Nic K. View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/20/2008
Location: Beaverton OR.
Status: Offline
Points: 23
I knew someone would ask that.  Leupold has purchased Redfield.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 17:03
Ed Connelly View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
God of no Chihuahua

Joined: December/16/2007
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 24220
For Pete's sake...........What are they going to do with a competitor's name? I don't get that. I can understand a bunch of speculators wanting to revive an old famous scope brand, but I ain't getting this one at all.  This calls for the popcorn dude........Get%20Your%20Popcorn%20Ready   What are they going to do?  Advertise Redfield as "America's Optics Authority Before We Were"??? Shocked
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 17:11
DCAMM94 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: April/19/2008
Location: Fort Worth
Status: Online
Points: 3140
Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

For Pete's sake...........What are they going to do with a competitor's name? I don't get that. I can understand a bunch of speculators wanting to revive an old famous scope brand, but I ain't getting this one at all.  This calls for the popcorn dude........Get%20Your%20Popcorn%20Ready   What are they going to do?  Advertise Redfield as "America's Optics Authority Before We Were"??? Shocked
 
If I were Leupold, I would either (a) create a retro-looking scope with high-end glass and market the scope as "The New Redfield," or (b) dispatch the "Rifleman" Name and make use of the trusted Redfield name and tooling for some solid entry-level (but quality) scopes.  But hey, I'm just spectating (and speculating) too.  Should be interesting to see what happens, regardless.  Who knows, we may be seeing "Redfield, by Leupold" scopes at SHOT next year.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 17:29
RifleDude View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2006
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 14313
Hmmm... interesting, and at the same time, puzzling information!
 
This is just another reason why I don't trust Meade and wouldn't buy any scope brand while they own it.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 19:09
tahqua View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Have You Driven A Ford Lately?

Joined: March/27/2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 8044
Originally posted by Nic K. Nic K. wrote:

I knew someone would ask that.  Leupold has purchased Redfield.


Thank you, Nic! The plot thickens, indeed.

Doug
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 19:33
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 10963
Didn't ATK sell Weaver to Meade in the first place?

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Did Meade keep the Simmons brand?

ILya
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 19:53
Nic K. View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/20/2008
Location: Beaverton OR.
Status: Offline
Points: 23

I believe that Meade did keep Simmons.  Here is an article about it http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=PZ&Date=20080421&ID=8515416&Symbol=MEAD

Seems as though they want to concentrate on their "core brands"
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 20:35
martin3175 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/19/2005
Location: Maryland
Status: Offline
Points: 3773

Need a program to keep up with the players

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 20:39
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
need a text message service for my cell i guess. one thing im not thinking will change is leupold unless its there prices we are talking about.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 23:10
Urimaginaryfrnd View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Resident Redneck

Joined: June/20/2005
Location: Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 13873
Originally posted by Nic K. Nic K. wrote:

I knew someone would ask that.  Leupold has purchased Redfield.
 
News Flash the new scope will be a RedPold so bend over here it comes.Bandito
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 23:16
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 10963
or perhaps Leufield?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/24/2008 at 23:46
Nic K. View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/20/2008
Location: Beaverton OR.
Status: Offline
Points: 23
I vote for Leufield Wink
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 03:09
mercenary1947 View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
**

Joined: April/02/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1392
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Originally posted by Nic K. Nic K. wrote:

I knew someone would ask that.  Leupold has purchased Redfield.
 
News Flash the new scope will be a RedPold so bend over here it comes.Bandito
 
 Yea and it won't feel good either .... what leupold's  gonna produce same scopes and just change the wording imprinted on them ..... why else would they want the dies and equipt. ?  They sure as heck don't need them . Sounds fishy to say the least ! Another corporate screw the public --- Cool  ? 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 08:19
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795
Meade still lists Simmons as one of their brands on their website.  Weaver still makes a good scope and I really do not think Meade has done anything to hurt them.  The Simmons scope I received appears well made and if the features they tout work correctly, then it should be a good quality low end model.  I am going to check it out on a 300 Wby. this weekend.  It is the Aetec Master Series.  Optics are quite good and it has a hydrophobic coating, like the Bushnell Elite series.  I am not sure it works as well, but have never tried out mine on my Elite 4200.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 12:23
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7765

Meade has done an absolute horrible job with Redfield, Weaver and Simmons, so any type of change has to be better than what has been happening.  ATK once owned Redfield, Weaver and Simmons so they do have some experience and they seem to be more motivated.  ATK did greatly deteriorated the Simmons name prior to selling it to Meade and I hope they do not plan to just use the Weaver name to market China made optics at inflated prices then sell Weaver again.

It appears that ATK started to market their own brands off the contacts they gained when they initially bought Redfield, Simmons and Weaver years ago, but their own brands Intensity Optics and Nitrex Optics have not done very well because they lack name recognition.  Perhaps purchasing the  Weaver name will fix this, but the name has lost much of its value since Blount, ATK and Meade lowered the quality of the product and provided poor customer service.

I strongly feel that while these well known companies are buying, selling and regrouping that the small owner operated companies are sneaking in and taking their market little by little.  Current generation shooters and hunters do not have the respect for Weaver and Redfield like their fathers once did.  The current generation and coming generation are better educated in regards to value and do not rely solely on name brands recognition.  This generation is also buying full size Toyota pick up trucks instead of Ford or Chevrolet.  Now that Redfield and Weaver are no longer USA made they have lost much of their appeal to the older generations and the current and future generations don’t really care about where something is made, they only care about quality and value.  The only way ATK will be able to be successful is if they have at least a five year plan to re-establish the brand through quality products, excellent customer service and offer the product at a fair price

Leupold’s move to purchase Redfield has everyone puzzled.  Leupold is the exception in the industry because they are the last large optics company that is still family owned and operated and has not been run into the ground by investment banker style business practices.  They have a large advantage in the market because all older generations no longer have a choice if they want to buy a scope from a legacy brand because Redfield and Weaver died a long time ago. 

If you read Leupold’s official statement it does not tell us much but you can tell that they care about the historical significance of the brand. 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10978&PID=97903#97903 

Everyone’s motivation is money when you take away all of the smoke and mirrors.  Redfield has always been Leupold’s largest threat and Leupold tried to purchase them the first time they went up for sale in 1998.  A quote from Sun-tzu is appropriate in this case, “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.” 

No one knows the dollar amount that was paid for Redfield or Weaver independently but it has been published that they sold for a combined $8 Million dollars.  If we assume that the brands have an equal value then it would be appropriate to guess that Leupold paid $4 Million dollars for Redfield.  This could be recouped by Leupold in a relatively short amount of time by not losing any market share to Redfield as a competitor.  I am confident that Leupold would not attempt to compete against them selves by selling a similar product at a similar price point as it would not achieve anything.  They will most likely use the Redfield name to sell in a market that they are not already selling in, perhaps a market that they did not want to enter with their own name because they did not want to damage their well established brand.  The Redfield name has already been hurt, so this gives Leupold a prime opportunity to compete on the lower end of the market with an imported product.  The public would love to see a return to the golden days of Redfield and see the company resurrected and once again offering U.S.A. made scopes, but I do not see that happening as long as Leupold is the owner because it would be a conflict of interest.

There is a lot of instability in the world of scopes these days.  Redfield, Weaver, Simmons and Tasco are rapidly disappearing.  Hakko’s bankruptcy and poor quality also affected the market, their reincarnation as J.O.L. has yet to get off the ground.  Schmidt and Bender also sold and after the sale the engineers went to Optronkia.  Kahles and Swarovski have stopped sharing ideas and are operating independent of each other.  Leica is scheduled to enter the scope market possibly this year too.  Once thing is certain, things are changing in the sports optics world.....whether its good or bad is yet to be seen.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 12:57
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795
Thanks for the post Chris.  The recent Simmons and Weaver purchases I made were good values, at least from an optical stand point.  I am going to test them out from a shooting perspective this weekend.  A V-9 and a Master Aectec model.  I was very disappointed when the Simmons came and it was made in China, as I thought they were made in the Phillipines.  My fault for not doing the research, or I would not have bought the scope.  At least it did not have the Chinese funk that usually occurs when you open the box.  After my two Leupold purchases, I have to admit I have become a Leupold fan.  The VX-III is fantastic, while the VX-II is ok.  The VX-III is not quite on the same level as my Trijicon, but damn close.  Both are US companies and I like that.  Even though both source their class from Japan, that does not bother me, just so it is not China.  The fact Leupold is a family owned buisness is important to me.  If Bill Weaver could see his company now.  At least the Weaver I got was made in Japan.  Not a guarantee, but at least not made in China.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 13:32
RifleDude View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2006
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 14313
Good post, Chris.  Very informative!  It will be very interesting to see what the optics market looks like 5 years from now.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/25/2008 at 17:09
cyborg View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar
God of Wind

Joined: August/24/2007
Location: North Georgia
Status: Offline
Points: 12082
Excellent Chris, Thanks a whole bunch. I hope that the trend will work out for everyone. 
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  1 2>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "What's up with Weaver"
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
Attaching a weaver base to a weaver base?? onewing Rings and bases 2
Springtime Fun with a Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 FFP gglass Tactical Scopes 10
Weaver V-16 on CZ 453 American pkt Rifle Scopes 1
Weaver V-16 on CZ 453 American pkt Rimfire / Airgun 5
Weaver Super Slam Binos motts Binoculars 1
Weaver Buck Commander Scopes Kitjack Member's Tests and Reviews 0
Weaver Kaspa Extreme tactical MudPuppy Rifle Scopes 1
low rings for weaver mount coyote95 Rings and bases 3
Weaver Gram Slam vs. Super Slam Glass EAGLE Rifle Scopes 4
Weaver RV9 or Leupold VXII 3-9 efr Sgtshultzy266 Rimfire / Airgun 7


This page was generated in 0.344 seconds.