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i've been looking at 22's for my 3 year old.  i have a ruger 10/22 converted to 17 mach2 and a browning bl-22 and he loves shooting them while i hold them.  i am very careful.  but he has to put the stock under his arm.  i've been looking at chipmunks and vintage winchester 67a youth rifles.  anyone have an opinion about either of these or some advice on any others?  i don't want to cut the stock on my bl-22 and i would rather have a single shot for his first gun that he will shoot himself.  optimum length of pull for him now would be 11 1/2-12 inches i think.  thanks!

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I have a Win 67a. (At least I think it is a 67a.  I'll check on that to be sure when I go home tonight.) In fact it is the very rifle I learned how to shoot with.  It is a great gun.  However, it is a bit long in the stock for my boys (ages 8 and 5.)  I remember putting the rifle up under my arm when I first got started.  This is something of an heirloom so; there's no way I would be willing to cut the stock down at all.  For this very reason I have been sorely tempted by those little Chipmunk rifles as they look like they would be just exactly the right size. 

 

I definately agree that a single shot rifle is the best way to go for getting kids started. I can't think of a better way to teach carefully controlled fire than to be limited to a single pull of the trigger.  

 

Actually, I think a lot more adult hunters should get themselves a good single shot rifle for the very same reason. Too many are like my little brother who physically can't pull a trigger just once.  Every "shot" requires the emptying of the magazine. Needless to say he spends a lot of money on ammo and never really manages to hit much of anything.

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I bought my Son one in .17HMR and it was a total waste of $$.... not sure if it was a Chipmunk or the other one(Criket?).  I had to send it back to them because the firing pin was rupturing the case.  And he out grew it in about 2 yrs.  I traded it for a Savage 9317 and that was the smartest thing I did all year......... well..... maybe not ALL year.

 

 

 

 

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lucznik,

they made regular and youth models in the 67a.  the youth i believe has a 20" barrel.  could you take a look at yours and tell me if it's a youth?  if i buy something,  i don't mind cutting the stock down,  it can be an heirloom for him and maybe his kids.  i have a .410 that my dad down for me and my son will be able to use it too,  so i don't mind.  i don't want to cut down the bl cause i shoot it,  and i don't want to buy a youth stock and have to trade in and out on my ruger,  plus it has ten rounds semi-auto and a 2 lb. trigger,  so it's not an optimum youth rifle.

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just looked at savage web page and they have a new mini cub youth model.  looks interesting,  plus it has the accutrigger so as he grows into it the trigger pull could be lessened.  i like it from what it says,  may be something to look into.  you guys tell me what you think.
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A three year old?  Not even with a BBgun!  Shooting is a lethal discipline that requires the ablity to make sound lethal judgements.  That ablity to reason is not present in a three year old.  Give it a couple of years.

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Originally posted by fwinn fwinn wrote:

lucznik,

they made regular and youth models in the 67a.  the youth i believe has a 20" barrel.  could you take a look at yours and tell me if it's a youth? 

 

Will do.

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i still plan to help him,  just want the stock to be in his shoulder instead of under it.  there's no way that i would hand it to him and let him have at it.  i am responsible and he already knows more gun safety than most teens i've seen,  i don't think it's ever too early to teach them safety.  we may differ in opinions about this subject,  but that was not the question i asked,  i asked about a rifle.
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

A three year old?  Not even with a BBgun!  Shooting is a lethal discipline that requires the ablity to make sound lethal judgements.  That ablity to reason is not present in a three year old.  Give it a couple of years.

 

I disagree.  fwinn's not talking about handing a kid a gun, sending him outside, and saying; "See ya later, I've got a football game to watch.  Don't shoot your eye out."  The "lethal judgements" can be foregone until a bit later.   

 

With total supervision, patience, and a self-imposed time limit per session there's no reason why a 3 year old can't learn to pull a trigger.  My dad had me and my brothers pulling the trigger at around 3 - 4 years of age and I'm just as normal as can be!  

 

Assuming his growth follows an "average" path, one of those little Chipmunk rifles would likely be a reasonable fit for such a child for 6+ years.

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if my last comment came off as rude, i apologize.  just seemed like at the first of the year there was so much arguing and jacked threads that i quit getting on here.  seems better lately.  i just don't want this to turn into a holy war over something and not even get any information on what i originally asked.  i really do want some opinions on youth .22 rifles.  thanks.
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

Originally posted by fwinn fwinn wrote:

lucznik,

they made regular and youth models in the 67a.  the youth i believe has a 20" barrel.  could you take a look at yours and tell me if it's a youth? 

 

Will do.

 

I checked and mine is a Model 67, not a 67a as I had first thought.  It is definately not a youth model.  (Actually, it fits me right now quite well.) This probably explains why I have such vivid memories of stuffing the stock under my armpit. Length of pull is about 13".  Barrel length is 20"

 

By the way, thanks for the little stroll down memory lane.  This little rifle hasn't seen the light of day for a very long time and it was great to pull it out and reminisce a bit. I'm definately going to have to take this gun out and shoot it a bit.

 

I also think I'm going to go ahead and get one of those little Chipmunk rifles as this one will definately be too long for my son to properly handle.

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Don't you have to be a subsriber to get their reviews?

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As Root suggested have a look at the Henry site.  They have a 22 single called the Mini-bolt.  16/1/4 in barrel, 3 1/4 lbs and length of pull is 11.5" - in stainless - sights look good too, trigger pull may be a little heavy at 4 lbs but could probably get that adjusted.

 

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h005_minibolt.cfm

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I have seen at my range a father with his son and daughter, probably about 4 and 5 years old, with a Crikett, that fit them well and shot very well at 50 yards.  Their father posted some tight groups with the little gun.  I had examined one in gun store and while it was not the best made rifle in the world, it certainly was well enough made for a youngster to learn to shoot.  Fine little specimen that would serve him for several years and could be used for squirrel or rabbit hunting.  Have fun.

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The Henry is probably a better made rifle, but at almost twice the cost.  Considering the young man will grow out of the rifle relatively soon, why spend twice the money. 
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But, you will have paid more.
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As I said.... I had one and didn't like it!  I would look around..... I like Savage, but I bet the Henry is a good choice too. 

 

I was kind of thinking that 3 was a little young as well, but after hearing the responses.......... doen't seem like such a big deal now.   I probably should have started my Son a little sooner.

 

I did like the design of the Chipmunk!  I just didn't think it was made very well!  I grew up shooting a Springfield Model 15, which was also my Dad's first gun.  It is a single-shot bolt with a hammer that you pull striaght back, just like the Chipmunk.  And Man, was it dead on!  Killed lots of "tree rats" and rabbits with that thing..... as did my Dad! 

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I am talking about the Crikett rifles, not the Chipmunk.  I have corrected my post above.  The Crickett I looked at seemed to be relatively well made.
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has anyone checked out the savage cub that i referred to.  it's on their website and it says it's a new model.  i hate to be a guinea pig,  but i like the looks of it.  has a traditional safety to teach them with as well,  plus the accu-trigger.  let me know what you guys think of it.  i like the henry and don't mind spending a little more money.  i don't plan to get rid of it anyway,  so i'd rather get something that will last.
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I just checked out the Savage site and they have a new Cub Mini Youth and another Youth model.  Seem the former would be better for a 3 year old.  I would definately take these over the Crickett.  Owning several Savage rifles and knowing their quality, I do not think you can go wrong.  They are only a tad more expensive than the Criketts and less than the Henrys.
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I'm scheduled to work tonight..... so I'll see if we have one and check it out.  I bet I like it.......... it looks real similar to the Model 15 I have and love!
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well,  i had my gun shop order me the savage mini cub.  we'll see how it looks.  i'll update when i get it in.  i called savage and it has a 12" length of pull,  so if i do have to cut it down,  it won't be much.  thanks for all the input,  i got it for $159,  so it's not gonna break the bank.
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Can't go wrong with that.  The peep site & accutrigger will be a plus.

 

Have fun!

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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

Yes I paid more BUT my true out of pocket is the net difference in purchase cost of each minus what I sell each for increased by the cost of money over the time and reduced by the value of the increased utility over the ownwership period .
Otherwise we would all be buying Tascos.

Ok, lets looks look at soom simple math, using the Blue Book of Gun Values as a reference.  The Crickett, if sold in excellent conditon, should bring 135 dollars in the basic version, compared to the retail cost of 165.  That is 30 dollars out of pocket for using that rifle.  Used for 3 years, that is 10 dollars a year.  Now for the Henry Mini Bolt.  In excellent conditon, should bring 150 dollars, compared to the retail cost of 215.  That is 65 dollars out of pocket for using that rifle.  Used for 3 years, that is 21.67 dollars per year, twice the cost of the Crickett.  Those are simple numbers.  Both rifles can be had at discount prices brand new.  Neither rifle will appreciate in value

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Originally posted by fwinn fwinn wrote:

well,  i had my gun shop order me the savage mini cub.  we'll see how it looks.  i'll update when i get it in.  i called savage and it has a 12" length of pull,  so if i do have to cut it down,  it won't be much.  thanks for all the input,  i got it for $159,  so it's not gonna break the bank.

Excellent choice.  Let us know how it shoots.  I am am sure it will be perfect.  Love those Savages.

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