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 I am a brush hunter with a 30-30 winchester using a 3-9x25mm, older Leupy. Where we sit under a tree and hunt white tail o' 60-90 yds.

I just got back from a south Texas white tail deer hunt and am in love with the whole open range using a longer shot. I went to get a rifle and basspro told me not worry myself with a new rifle but spent the money on my scope instead. My 95 model remington 700, 30-06 is better than what I can buy today. SO my question at hand is what kind of scope to get?
Later I will get a 300 or a 7mag but for know I want to dress up what I got
I want to see good at 400yds. my scope know(3x9) deer look like ants at 250yrds
 
I have been looking at the Nikon Monarch and Buckmaster for my .30-06 rem.700
 
3-12x42 gives me my close up for brush hunting but how far does it go?
3-12x50 basspro is out of stock, waiting on shipment to see what they look like
4-16x42 i'm still close but a 16x seems like it can go the distance
what about the difference between 40 and 50mm?
I like the extra width the 50mm gives but how much do you sacrifice
 
What will get me to 400yds so I can still see the difference betwen a deer and a heffer.
 
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You may have a problem with your scope. There is no way that a variable scope at 9X will give the illusion of a deer sized animal looking like an ant at 250 yards. Perhaps you are exagerating facts a bit? Now as far as taste goes, some like to have the target look very large, if this is your preference, no one can help you as we all look for different things.
I see no need for a scope that exceeds 10X for hunting with a 30-06 range of effective use for game sized animals. 450 yards is pushing the envelope a bit with most factory ammo. Since a 9X scope will give 450 yards the impression of being at 50 yards, that is actually plenty of magnification.
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The difference between 40 and 50 will be the exit pupil, which will determine the scopes low light ability. The larger the exit pupil the better you will be able to see in low light. Example is this at 10X a 50 mm scope will give you an exit pupil of 5mm, where a 40mm will give you 4mm exit pupil. 
I hope that helps you out a bit. Welcome to Optics Talk.


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This is a touchy subject for me. Although I use a 4.5-14 on my go-to long range deer gun, I wouldn't say that's the answer. You can do 400 yards pretty easily with the 3-9x that you have. (what kind is it by the way) The best way to tell a deer and heifer at longer ranges is with good binoculars, I think. I have two guns that I shoot basically for 400 yards, and beyond. One of these rifles wears a 3-9x. The other one, with the 4.5-14, usually runs at about 9-10x when actually shooting those ranges. Too much magnification will lead to seeing mirage in warmer temps. Glass quality trumps magnification in my book. I would spend the money on a scope with better glass, rather than more power, but that's just me.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

You may have a problem with your scope. There is no way that a variable scope at 9X will give the illusion of a deer sized animal looking like an ant at 250 yards. Perhaps you are exagerating facts a bit? Now as far as taste goes, some like to have the target look very large, if this is your preference, no one can help you as we all look for different things.
I see no need for a scope that exceeds 10X for hunting with a 30-06 range of effective use for game sized animals. 450 yards is pushing the envelope a bit with most factory ammo. Since a 9X scope will give 450 yards the impression of being at 50 yards, that is actually plenty of magnification.


+1 well said
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For a minute lett us say you really wanted to make first shot kills at 100, 200, 300, 400 and possibly further.  You have to have a way to adjust for the trajectory of the bullet. The 30-06 is a fine cartridge and capable of thousand yard kills on deer so you dont need a super magnum to do the job. There are some things a gunsmith can do to help like glass bed the action and free float the barrel and improve the trigger pull.  I am a big fan of the 4-16 power range as I like to be able to compare the antlers of deer at distance to decide if I want to take a particular animal. The difference between 40mm and 50 mm is the difference between being able to use 6x with 40 or use 7x with 50 in low light to get a bright image. So while either would work for you there really is not a huge difference. There is no advantage regarding field of view width, just an advantage in gathering light in low light conditions.  I really like the Bushnell 4200 4-16x40 it has great glass and the knobs can be used to dial in correction at distance.  One thing you should look at is
http://www.kentonindustries.com/  with these knobs on certain models of scopes you can dial in correction for distance very easily.   Some scopes have BDC reticles the down side is they usually only work at the highest power and in low light you have to dial the power down to brighten the image.  Dialing in correction with the knobs is better.
Kenton makes knobs for the Sightron 4-16x42  (this should be a nice scope)
SIIB41642MD New Sightron 4-16x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope                                                                             New Sightron 4-16x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope
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Kenton makes a knob for the Bushnell I mentioned also:
424164SF Bushnell 4-16x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope                                                                                 Bushnell 4-16x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Multi-X
  • 1"
  • Rainguard
  • Side Focus
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I think the Bushnell 4200 is a great scope that you would be really happy with and if you added the Kenton knob you would just need a laser rangefinder and you would be deadly a long way out very consistently.
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Magnification is only half of things.  The futher away the more clarity you need to.  Look at the Zeiss 600 z-plex rather than knobs.  If the deer look like ants, then they are futher away than you think ;)
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Quality not Quantity is a good rule of thumb. 

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does your 700 Rem 30-06 have a recoil pad?  If not, put a R3 on it!  What is your budget?
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Thank you all for your support, I will not forget this sight. A buddy of mine showed me ebay.com and I found a Nikon Monarch 4-16x42m for $357. It is a 500 dollar scope, I got the better glass and the distance, I hope?
I did go over board a little with  the whole ant thing but it is a 1995 3-9x25mm that I am trying to replace.
The other of my concerns was that I have been reading that some scopes when you change the side focus are not true or they do not stay zero as you go back and fourth from say 100-250yds ajustments.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2009 at 13:26
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If you are looking at scopes under $400 and in the 3-9 or 2.5-10 zoom range you can't go wrong with either the Bushnell 4200 or Nikon Monarch. Both have very good glass for the money and are proven performers.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-1277-185-bushnell-25-10x40-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-8759-2201-nikon-25-10x42-monarch-riflescope.aspx
There are also many options available here. http://www.samplelist.com/

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