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Hello to you all!

I've been reading this forum for quite a while, and I decided to join the debates.

So here's my thing. I have a rifle with a broken scope on it, so I need a new one. I've been scanning the market, but there's so much gear out there that I ended up somewhat confused and in need of help. 

I need a all-around scope, that's going to be used for all kinds of hunts, form dusk and dawn hunting in the spring, to thick bush in the late fall and winter. Here and there I'd go in the high mountains for some goats, so I need something that'll allow me to shoot from only a couple ten yards up to around 300 yards. Good low light performance would be a good thing, however it's not essential. Other additions such as illuminated reticles, adjustable parallax are welcome, but again, not essential. 

I've been looking at stuff like the Vortex Viper/Viper HS series, Bushnell Elite, Leupold VX-3/VX-R, some Burris gear, Nikon Monarch, Meopta Meopro/Artemis and so on.

It seems to me that a 2.5-10x50 or similar variants would pretty much satisfy all of my need.

Finally, the price. Since the scope's going to be a "work horse", active in all kinds of environments and weather, and since the terrain here is a nasty bit of work, you can be the most careful person in the world and I'd still say you'll end up falling I don't really want to have anything fancy and expensive on my gun. I already smashed my current rifle scope on a bunch of rocks.

I'm therefore ready to pay around $500 (I can add a couple of dollars). The gun is a .308 Win so recoil shouldn't be an issue.

Long story short: I'm looking for an all-purpose scope with a good price/performance ratio for around $500.

Thanks for the tips and sorry for the long post Smile.
 
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Since I can't find a post edit button anywhere I'm going to add something here:

Of the listed scopes above, I'm most interested in the Leupold VX-3. Can anyone comment on this scope series in comparison to the others listed?
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The VX3 is a good scope, no doubt. But I feel the Conquest trumps it optically. 

Here's a used scope on The Sample List.

I actually had this scope, similar, on a .300 WM and loved it. I think this would work ideal for you. 

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I would prefer the 4.5-14 Zeiss Conquest probably with a Rapid Z800 reticle or a #4 reticle.
SPL16178 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214559920, Matte, Z-Plex, 1"
$699.95
SPL16308 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214309972, Matte, Rapid Z 800, 1"
$649.95
SPL16312 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214309920, Matte, Z-Plex, 1"
$599.95
SPL16158 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214309920, Matte, Z-Plex, 1"
$599.95
SPL16160 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214309943, Matte, Mil-Dot, 1"
$649.95
SPL16162 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214349972, Silver, Rapid Z 800
$699.95
SPL16161 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214309972, Matte, Rapid Z 800, 1"
$649.95
SPL16169 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214919904, Matte, #4, 1"
$699.95
SPL16170 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214919920, Matte, Z-Plex, 1"
$699.95
SPL16172 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214919972, Matte, Rapid Z 800, 1"
$679.95
SPL16180 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view 5214909920, Matte, Z-Plex, 1"
$699.95
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I'm a big fan of bargain hunting on the sample list. A few that caught my eye for what you describe are a VX-3 1.5-5 for $359, should handle any big game need up to 300yds easily. There are a couple of 2.5-10 Monarchs that look interesting for under $300 and then there is the old standby 3-9x40 available in the conquest for $349. All should be nice hunting scopes .
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Conquest 3-9X40 for 349?
 
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Thank you all for your opinions. I didn't really look into the Conquest series since I was under the impression that they're too expensive. 

I did actually had a chance to look and mess around with one some time ago, and I was quite pleased. It was very light and the image was satisfactory. It also had an interesting reticle - the man lit a flash light through the scope and the reticle became slightly white and quite visible in the dark. 

I will definitely look into the Conquests. Thanks for the tips.
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That sounds like the Bushnell Fire Fly reticle, Trickster.
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I wouldn't know, I never saw the FireFly, and the scope I had in my hands was definitely a Zeiss.
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I've got a 3.5-10x40 VX3, both 3-9x40 and 3.5-10x44 Conquests, and a few others.  I've compared them side by side too many times to recall.  To my eyes there's no practical difference between any of the three. They will all get you past legal shooting light with time to spare.  There may be an ever, ever so slight advantage to the Conquest in the sharpness dept, but you'd have to look really hard to see it, if at all.   I'd get the one I could get the best deal on.  Keep in mind the Conquest scopes have a larger ocular than the Leupold, and that may or may not matter depending on your mounts, with regards to the bolt throw.  Some rings allow the bolt to clear, and some don't with the Conquests.  
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The VX3 also has variable eye relief, which I find a little bothersome, but not a deal breaker. The Conquest has fixed, which I like better.

Trickster:
Are you saying the Conquest, or someother Zeiss had an illuminated reticle? I thought you meant the guy charged it with the flash light and it stayed lit for a bit. 
Conquest's, as far as I know, don't offer one with a lit reticle.  
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

To my eyes there's no practical difference between any of the three.
 
This is the practical difference:
 
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

The VX3 also has variable eye relief, which I find a little bothersome, but not a deal breaker. The Conquest has fixed, which I like better.
 
This is an important one to me, and the Conquest will win every time with me because of it.
 
Otherwise the VX-3 is a very nice scope.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Trickster:
Are you saying the Conquest, or someother Zeiss had an illuminated reticle? I thought you meant the guy charged it with the flash light and it stayed lit for a bit. 
Conquest's, as far as I know, don't offer one with a lit reticle.  

I wouldn't call it exactly illuminated, it more or less only changed its color form black to white/greyish, making it slightly more visible in the dark.
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Originally posted by Trickster Trickster wrote:

Of the listed scopes above, I'm most interested in the Leupold VX-3. Can anyone comment on this scope series in comparison to the others listed?
 
 
I too was looking for a scope for my new AR15 with low profile being the main desire with some magnification to shoot coyotes out to 200-250 yards or so. I decided on the Leupold VX3 1.5-5x20mm with the illuminated duplex.  The optics are great and unlike other reticles, the crosshairs are not connected in the center - there's a little "plus sign" that just floats by itself inside the heavier lines. Whether it's illuminated or not, it's my favorite reticle of all of my scopes. I'm not sure if you have to get the illuminated version to get this type of reticle but it is truely awesome to look thru - ymmv.
 
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I did a quick search and found this VX3 with the reticle I was referring to albeit a chunch of change and maybe a bit much for close encounters:
 


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VX-3s are good scopes- comparable to a Conquest and a few others. The VX-R has some nifty features.
 A Conquest for $350 is a deal.

A Bushnell Elite... nothing spectacular- they just work, have good glass for the price and "Rainguard".
I am a bit confused about their "new" model designations...

http://swfa.com/Bushnell-3-9x50-Elite-Rifle-Scope-P48257.aspx

http://swfa.com/Bushnell-25-10x50-Elite-Rifle-Scope-P48248.aspx

BTW, none of my Conquests have a "firefly" type reticle, nor do any other Conquests.

A most useful thread:
http://www.opticstalk.com/topic16515_page1.html

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Just to clarify, Im not trying to talk anyone who's heart is set on a VX3 into a Conquest. I demo'd a VX3 when they came out and liked it. Just like the low power Onuests more. The higher mag Conquests not so much, when compared to other offerings out there.
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I did a bit more of "snooping around", and I think I'll go for the Conquest. I also read Mr. Koshkin's review and comparison of the ZA3, Conquest and MeoPro. 

I would, however, like to hear your opinion on the following scopes: 



A local dealer is always trying to sell me these (whenever I ask him for an opinion about scopes). Any thoughts?
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Ok, I'm pretty much set with the Conquest, all I'd like to know now, is which model to pick?

I'm 98% sold on the 3-9x50mm, however I have two questions:

1. How much practical difference will the 50mm objective make over the 40mm one (is it worth the extra money)?

2. How come the 3.5-10x50mm model costs an extra $150 more than the 3-9x50mm one? Are the optics and/or coatings different?
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I've also been searching for a scope for my new browning BAR .308, and pretty sure I'm set on the Viper HS 2.5-10x44mm, 30mm tube.... fits everything i need it for, i originally was looking at the standard Vipers, but it was 3.5-10x50mm and 1" tube.... for my needs the 2.5 min zoom fits better, and for only $20 more I'll take it.... 

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Originally posted by Trickster Trickster wrote:

Ok, I'm pretty much set with the Conquest, all I'd like to know now, is which model to pick?

I'm 98% sold on the 3-9x50mm, however I have two questions:

1. How much practical difference will the 50mm objective make over the 40mm one (is it worth the extra money)?

2. How come the 3.5-10x50mm model costs an extra $150 more than the 3-9x50mm one? Are the optics and/or coatings different?

The human eye can only make use of so much light, so with riflescope optics, there is either more light passing through the scope than your eye can use, or a point is reached beyond which there isn't enough light- that point is measurable and is defined as exit pupil of 7mm or less- for most people- (not us older guys- we can't use the full 7mm) and can be expressed as a formula: Exit pupil=Objective lens diameter/scope power. In other words, exit pupil of 7mm or larger gives you all the light your eye can use. Larger objective lenses provide a brighter image at the same magnification power because they have a bigger exit pupil. For instance, at 10x, a 50mm is brighter than a 40mm- exit pupil of 5 vs. 4... however, turn the power ring on the 40mm scope down from 10x to 8x and the two scopes are equally bright. You can see that at the lowest power, both scope examples would provide more light than your eye can use and with Conquests, that's definitely more than enough exit pupil to take you beyond legal hunting times in most locales.
Larger exit pupil also allows a wider field of view.

As far as Conquest models' quality- all scopes work on optics principles which require tradeoffs and compromises- to get more of this, you have to give up some of that, or maybe both are possible, but it takes a lot more money to achieve this and that at the same time.

Conquest's manufacturing/materials quality is the same for all the different models. Note: I don't work for Zeiss and don't know for certain that the last statement is correct, but I believe that it is true... have never heard any different and my experience with Conquests leads me to believe it. They are built like you'd want somebody to build your scope.

However, the quality which could be defined as 'how much this and that at the same time' for the 3- and 3.5- series scopes is not the same.
The "qualities" which were needed to make the 3.5-10x line work (it's the smallest/lightest of the Conquest line) are expensive and put them in a price range which is less than competitive with other mfg's scopes (in the same performance class) which the Conquest would otherwise beat hands down by most measures.
That's where the 3-9x line comes in- they were designed and built to compete with the other guys. You get the same Zeiss build quality (again, AFAIK) at a much lower price, but there are (slight) optical/physics/engineering compromises to make it all work- the 3-9x series is just a bit heavier and longer, for instance.

As far as the 50mm models costing more, yes- the bigger glass does cost more and the mfg. techniques needed to comply with the physics of optics to make the bigger lens work, also cost more.

One other thing- smaller diameter objective lenses can be mounted lower- closer to the barrel and make for better balance.

I have Conquests in both 3- and 3.5- trim and like them both- a lot.



 
 


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Thank you for the detailed explanation, Alan. 

I suppose I could go for the 3-9x40mm model, since I think it will be more agile in the thick bush.

I was also looking at the 3.5-10x44mm, but it's too expensive.

I'll flip a coin to help me decide Big Smile.
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I bought a trijicon 3-9x40 mildot, as my general purpose hunting optic, for around 400 new.  It looks like they have risen considerably in price since then.  The constantly lit reticle makes nighttime pig hunting a bit easier, but the scope is not without its flaws.  The actual mildot reticle is the sloppiest excuse for the reticle I have ever seen. The dots on the lower portion of the scope aren't even centered on the line, and the crosshair thickness is not the same between each post.  Having said all that, it's still not a bad scope for the money.  If anyone needs a reticle pic to show exactly what I am talking about, I should be able to get one up by tonight.  
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6.5 X 47...not being antagonistic here, but you sure seem to bad mouth / criticize everything you post about. Is there anything you do like? Just wondering. 

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What's wrong with giving the bad with the good?  Even my Hensoldt has some things I don't like (which I've tried to ID in past review).  They are far outweighed by the things I DO like, doesn't make them any less present.  
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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

Not being antagonistic here, but you sure seem to bad mouth / criticize everything you post about. Is there anything you do like? Just wondering. 

Is this referring to me or 6.5x47?

BTW, I still haven't decided on the model of the Conquest. 

As I said, I'll flip a coin :D
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