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OK - So I have been trying to decide for a while now what glass to put on my rifle.  I have  a Savage 10FLCP-K in .308.  I currently have a Hawke 6x24x50 Nite Eye SR-12 on it.  I'm not that impressed.  Clarity is not so great.  Accuracy also not so great.  At first I tried to correct the obvious, the shooter.  I had two other people (both also experienced military shooters) give it a go.  Tried it from every position imaginable, including a bench.  Still not so hot.  It was dialed in dead nuts, .75 MOA cold bore.  Another person accidently knocked it over while on the bipod into some leaves (a 6 inch soft fall)  and threw it off about 6 inches from center and 4 MOA.  I have NEVER seen that happen after such an mild "knock".  Also, groups tend to widen inconsistently as I'm shooting. (by inches, and barrel heat is not an issue.  20-25 minutes between groups)  This scope has been inconsistently inconsistent since day one.  Rifle has about 400-500 rounds through it, and was broken in properly.  I'm at the end of the rope with this thing.  You guys have more experience than I, so my only ? to you is WTF?  If I need to replace the glass, I was looking $300-$600 range.  HELP PLEASE!
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Welcome to Optics Talk.
 
Are you shooting factory ammo or hand loads?
 
Savage rifle barrels "typically" are VERY accurate, so I'm guessing the problem lies elsewhere.
 
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A little of both.  Even with factory I'm pulling .75 MOA.  But inconsistently.  It has to be the glass.  I am thinking a nikon monarch 4-16x42.  But I dont want to spend more money than I have to.  Any experience with Hawke?
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of Interest, I have a Hawke Endurance on my heavy barrel 10/22.  That thing is great.  It has been banged around, and is still dead nuts out to 225 yds.  Perhaps the recoil, even with the muzzle break, is damaging the scope.  Even though it says its recoil rated for all calibers.  thoughts?
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 Just mount a new scope on it. (It's possible your mounts are loose, but if that checks out OK, -ten to one your scope is no good...)
 I'd advise putting the new 3-9 variable Super Sniper on it.  At the top of your budget, but you'd never regret it.
 You might argue that you wouldn't have enough magnification at 9x if you're used to a 6-24X, but what good is that 24x doing you now?
 
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I'd try one of the Super Sniper scopes of the Leupold Mk 4 4.5-14x40 or the new Weaver tactical if you feel the need for more power.
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The mark 4's are amazing, but a tad bit out of my price range.  What about bushnell 4200 or 6500 series?  I have a pair ofd bushnell binos, not so impressive.  How are their scopes?
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who makes super sniper?  The prices seem cheap.
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http://www.swfa.com/ manufactures and sells the SS scopes.

Bushnell 4200 scopes are some of the most loved series of scopes by the people who have been on here and shared feedback.  Always mentioning durability, RainGuardHD, great glass for the price, etc.
 
You should check out the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x and see what you think, another option.


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Happy belated birthday danjojo.  I was looking at those.  Anyone have any exp with the weaver tactical series?
 
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Sounds like you might want to double check your mounts and rings for proper torque. If their tight and solid, start saving for a scope.
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Originally posted by mjfritz07 mjfritz07 wrote:

who makes super sniper?  The prices seem cheap.
Here is the 10HD Super Sniper on a Savage 10fp in a .308 using Federal Gold metal Match 168gr. Very deadly and accurate. Go for the Super Sniper and don't look back.Excellent
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The Super Sniper prices are lower because there is no middle man - SWFA contracts directly with the factory and sets the specs.  If you need to use the scope under 100  yds rapidly you might be better off with the 3-9x42 model but if you primarily shoot long range the 10X HD is the best choice with its adjustable parallax.   The older fixed power ones are still very solid choices as well.
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I just got the new SS 3-9x test mule!!!  Bandito
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 I have 3 20xss and one in the box waiting for my 7mm to come in, so far no problems. I went with the 20x because of old eyes and I like to see the holes in the paper at 200 yards with out the spotting scope.
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I have a 16Xss on a 338 Lapua Mag. that works great. I have shot out to 1100 yds. with it, and as close as 50. The only thing is for hunting it is harder to follow a moving target up close. If you are going to just shot extreme long range you may wait 20X.
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Originally posted by Predatormaster Predatormaster wrote:

I have a 16Xss on a 338 Lapua Mag. that works great. I have shot out to 1100 yds. with it, and as close as 50. The only thing is for hunting it is harder to follow a moving target up close. If you are going to just shot extreme long range you may wait 20X.
 
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A couple of points:

-SWFA SS scopes are absolutely superb, especially for the money.  I have three and there will have to be pried from my cold dead hands, so to speak.

-If you need high magnification, then with SS you have to go with either 20x42 or 16x42 which are not the most versatile choices, fixed magnification and all.  I much prefer the 10x42 configuration personally or the 3-9x42

-Have you talked to the guys at Hawke about warranty service?  If your scope is faulty, then they should take care of you.  That would probably be my first step.

-Does the scope start out shooting well during every range session? and then gets worse?  That does not really sound like a scope problem.  Are you sure the mounts are not loosening on you?

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Mounts are tight.  Rings are tight.  Stock is attached with proper torque. 
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