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I have decided to purchase a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14X50 with the Z1000 and target knobs for my Savage 10FP w/24" barrel.  I'm trying to decide which rings and base to go with that will have the proper fit.  I have been told to go with either Farrell rings and bases or Warne, however, I do not know which ones.  If anyone has any advice it would be much appreciated.  Thanks
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Welcome to Optics Talk.
 
Have you considered a one piece rail instead of a 2 piece deal?
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Yes, do you think it would be better to go with the on piece base?  How do the Warne bases compare to  the Farrell bases?  
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Welcome to the forum.  I don't get to get on here too often anymore, but I've received a lot of good advice here since getting my Savage 12BVSS, and for making other purchases.  I ended up getting a Farrell 1-piece base and Warne Maxima QD rings to go with my Super Sniper 10x42. 
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Thanks for the information, did the farrell mount nicely to your Savage.  I still have not purchased the Zeiss and I debated for quite some time between the SS and the Zeiss.
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It fit like a glove and I couldn't be happier.  No problems mounting it.  I got the standard elevation base since I don't have a place easily accessible that I can shoot past 400 yards.  I take the scope off every time after shooting for storage and have never had a problem with the qd rings not lining up exactly each time. 
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Thanks,  Where did you buy the Farrell base at and I assume you bought the rings from SWFA.  Thanks.
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Bridgta, you can order a Farrell base directly from Farrell, if you choose too. 
 
How far do you see yourself shooting out too? Tennessean brought up a good point about a canted base. The Zeiss won't have a lot of "up" like the Super Sniper.
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I would like to get to 1000 yards, however, as a shooter I'm not there yet.  Thanks
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Originally posted by bridgta bridgta wrote:

I would like to get to 1000 yards, however, as a shooter I'm not there yet.  Thanks
 
You'll probably be better served using a canted rail then.
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If you really want to get to 1000 yards eventually and plan on dialing in your shots, the Zeiss is not the scope you want.  It only has 45 MOA total elevation.  Even with a 20 or 30 MOA base reaching 1000 yards with a .308 is going to be iffy if not impossible.  If you are planning on using the reticle holdovers to reach 1000 yards then that is probably a different story. 

Look at IOR, Nightforce, Super Sniper, Leupold MK4 and such for long range scopes that have enough adjustment to reach 1000 yards. 
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OK, now I'm really confused.  I was told that the Zeiss 4.5-14X50 would be a great choice to go with in the Z1000 reticle for my desired shooting of up to 1000 yards.  What kind of yardage will this scope be able to reach by dialing in?  I'm now debating the simplicity of the SS.  Thanks for all your input, please keep it coming.  Thanks
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Will a mildot be more accurate than the holdover lines on a Z1000 reticle?
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A 168gr 308 round will need about 40-42 moa to hit 1000 from a 100yrd zero. If the scope only has 45 moa total, you will have to be zeroed at 100yds at the far end of the adjustment range to be able to use 100% of the travel to get to 1000yds. That will be tricky to pull off. You will need either a 20 moa canted 1 piece base, or Some Burris Signature Zee rings with the offset inserts. You can do 5/10/15/20 moa by combining inserts. The 30mm pack comes with a pair of "10's" included. The 1" rings require you to purchase the inserts seperately but have more pieces to mix and match.
 
I like to hold dead on and dial to my range. If you want good glass and more elevation, Sightron has some nice new options. You can find the new SIII 6-24x50LRMD here with 100moa, or the 3.5-10x50LRMD with 120moa. They also have the big Sky 4.5-14x50 MD with 80moa. Check them out on the SWFA sight. Great Glass, great tracking, and a lifetime warranty on the scope no matter who bought it and where.
 
The Ken Farrel base and rings are nice but a tad tall. EGW and TPS make both flat and canted bases for the Savage. I have two savages one with EGW and one with KF.
 
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Thanks for the information, however, I'm still somewhat confused.  The Z1000 reticle according to Zeiss is sighted in at 500 yards and it is made specifically with the .308 in mind to reach 1000 yards.  Please let me know what you think.
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Not sure about how the zeis reticle works. My info was about zeroing a scope at 100 yards and dialing out to hold dead on at 1000. No holdover.
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Ok just looked at the Zeiss site. The z1000 reticle is designed to be sighted dead on at 500 yrds. This means, you need enough internal moa to get the center cross hairs zeroed at 500 yrds. This should be no problem. Then instead of dialing up or down, you just use the other yardage lines for hold over. The larger ones for greater than 500 and the smaller ones down to 100.  no dialing at all. Some like this some don't. You also need to know that while it is calibrated for 308, you need to know what round (168gr/155gr/175gr/147gr). All these different bullet weights and styles have diffent trajectories based on BC and weight and powder charge. If you don't shoot the exact round that it is calibrated for, your POI's will be off.
 
Someone correct me if i'm wrong. I like a standard mildot and a blalistic chart designed for each round I shoot. There are many programs that will print you a range card.
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curious, does zeiss say what bullet, velocity, temp combo that recticle is for?
go w mildots, or a tmr style reticle in a LR SCOPE IMHO,
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Not sure regarding the bullet, velocity, etc.., I will check.  How does the new Sightron SIII 6-24X50 glass and reliability compare with the Zeiss Conquest?  I have also been looking at the IOR Tactical 4-14X50 (414530) but I'm not sure if it is worth the extral money.

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Zeiss does have a Rapid Z reticle ballistic computer program that you can use to calculate the specific ammo you are using.  Here is the link.  What do you think?
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Originally posted by bridgta bridgta wrote:

Not sure regarding the bullet, velocity, etc.., I will check.  How does the new Sightron SIII 6-24X50 glass and reliability compare with the Zeiss Conquest?  I have also been looking at the IOR Tactical 4-14X50 (414530) but I'm not sure if it is worth the extral money.

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From talking to Koshkin and others, and having that exact scope, Glass should be equal to the Zeiss and reliability is supposed to be excelent as well. Sightron is also well know for tracking consistancy with their exact track setup. A lot of bench rest guys are buying the 8-32x56 as oppsed to the Nightforce as they are half as much and almost the same glass quality from what I've read. You should deifinately consider one.
 
I would still think about a canted base or Zee rings. The extra 50moa really only gives you 25moa in the up direction. Asuming you were able to zero at 100 yds at dead center of scope travel, you would have 50moa up. Most likely you will eat about 4 moa to zero at 100. this leaves you about 46moa left. This will get you to 1000 but you are working at the far end of elevation travel. Scopes like to be in their middle. With a 20moa base, you will sight in at about 17moa below center giving you more travel in the scopes sweet spot. This is with the 308. Flatter shooting rounds don't consume as much elevation at 1k.
 
BTW, alot of 308 guys are running the Berger or Lapua Scenar's in 155gr. They have better BC's than Sierra 168's or 175's and shoot much flatter. Take a look.
 
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Mike,
 
I really appreciate your help.  I think I will pull the trigger on the Sightron SIII in either the 6-24 mildot or 8-32 which does not have mildot.  In your opinion what specific base and rings would you go with.  I will take a look at the Berger and Lapua in 155gr, I currently use Sierra Match 168.
 
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I just got back from the range and shot both back to back. My preference  is the Sightron. The turrents are crisper and the glass a bit better in resoultion. I think 6-24 is more than enough. When you get up in magnification you start getting a lot of
mirage to shoot through.
 
I like my Ken Farrell base and Rings. The "standard" height  is about .835" cenerline and very rugged. Next on the list is the TPS stuff. Less money but still nice. They have both Aluminum and steel bases and rings. EGW makes aluminum bases which can take anybodies rings. This is the least expensive of all the bases. With the SIII, you don't need the burris zee rings. you can use a straight or canted base and fixed rings.
 
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Thanks, so I can use a standard base and rings with the Ken Farrell tactcal rings and base and still have plenty of adjustment left.  Are you referring to Warne products when you say next on the list?  If this where your setup would you go with the canted 20MOA base or standard?

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sorry, what I meant to say was that Ken Farrell makes their base in either 0moa or 10/15/20moa canted base. You can specify. The ring height you would need is what he refers to as "standard height" The rings are about .245" tall putting the centerline of a 30mm scope at .835".  This woks well but some same that his bases are a tad tall compared to others. You can go with his stuff or bases from other companies. Many people now make bases for the round back savages. A year or so ago, this was not the case and Farrell was one of the few that did. Now can choose from the main guys like warne, Leupold, Badger, and others as well as guys like TPS and EGW if you are on  more of a budget. There are many good products. Just remember that you can use Weaver rings on Picatinny bases but not the other way around. The original Ken Farrell stuff was in between and I recomend their rings if using their base. I am not sure if his new stuff is still that way or standard Picatinny. The cross slots are wider on Picatinny.
 
As for rings I like my Ken Farrels, but like mentioned, the cross bolts may not be standard Picatinny size but if anything will be smaller so they will still work on someone elses base.
 
whether to use a canted base with the SIII is a toss up. There is enough built in moa to get out to 1000 but using a canted base will allow even greater range and keep the scope always near center. When zeroing the scope at 100 yrds you will have about 54moa of down you will never use. Why not put a canted base and recoup 20moa back. That gives you more to use of what was being discarded in the 1st place.
 
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