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Dear Friends
 
Could you tell me how much problems exists in your riflescope that made in China?
 
We are a newer in Riflescope manufacture, and we hope to try our best to solve the problems.
 
Thanks a lot
Hippie
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My problem with the rifle scopes made in China I've used up to this point is that they have been very poor quality optically and mechanically.  They have failed to hold up to normal use and have had poor image quality.  These have been scopes owned by friends, not me. 

My other problem with your country's practices in general is that China is notorious about industrial espionage and stealing the designs and patents of other manufacturers.  Your government will do nothing about this theft of intellectual property. 

I hope you plan to use this forum for intelligent discussions about optics and related topics and not as an outlet to advertise your products. 
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They are not made in USA
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

They are not made in USA
what is?
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

They are not made in USA
what is?
 
The chinese scopes.
 
 
 
 
I have plenty of stuff that is not made in USA. But I do try to buy American when possible.
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Ya need highly skilled workers. precision machine tools, & very high quality control. Dont use cheap parts.

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Back to the posters question......
 
The overall quality controll of the product.   
 
Best case senerio is a company really watches the QC.  I have a Millett Buck Gold I actually like, it is NOT bright, but clear from edge to edge, and has been on 3 of my rifles, including my Savage 24 O/U  with a 20ga magnium.
I know poeple who buy the cheapies, and the majority of people get what they pay for.  One fella I know has a Tasco WC, and it never failed him, but that is just one out of many.
What made that one scope stand up to the repeated recoil of a .30-06 , it was a plastic blister pack, made in China.  Not a Japanese manufactured model.
 
But when a cheapie scope company wants to make it to the big time, check the damned product before you ship it.  I got a BSA when they were very new on the scene, it was a lemon, I sent it back, and the replacment was a dud too!
 
At gun shows, people trying to push the Chinese cheapies, and will hand you a scope from an unopened box, only to be stutter and stammer, when you ask what that 'stuff' is in the bottom of the tube.  Yeah, I am talking to you again BSA!
 
And the silly red colored glass lenses of the NcStars, and some other brands as well.
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Could you tell me how much problems exists in your riflescope that made in China?
 
Rigorous quality control is paramount!
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Sirs: even if you overcome the quality problems of goods manufactured in your country, you'll never get past your horrible record in human/worker rights. Like shooting and squashing with tanks thousands pro-democracy demonstrators . It seems you have a dickens of a problem recently with workers jumping off the roofs of the huge (100,000 workers) computer factory there; that'll happen sometimes when you work folks 16 hours a day, seven days a week - oh, they do get 3 days off a year (including travel time) to leave their dorms and visit family...
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Ya want the whole list or the top 10 ?

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Most of my experience with Chinese products is with oilfield pumps and motors, but the problems are mostly the same.
If you are serious, here's my advise:
Hire a group of American engineers to set material specifications and technical drawings. Yes, they cost 10 times what your local engineers do, and it's because their worth it.
Do ALL QA/QC in the US, by American workers. Do not deviate from the specs set up by the engineers. Yes, it costs more, because it's worth it.
You get the advantage of the MADE IN AMERICA sticker, and you can charge more money for it.

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I have owned 4 Chinese made scopes in the past 7 years. I keep buying them thinking I will get a different result. I believe this practice is also the definition of insanity. My chinese scopes make excellent paper weights.
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The only problem with stuff made in China is that it's made in China.
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Originally posted by tjones96761 tjones96761 wrote:

Most of my experience with Chinese products is with oilfield pumps and motors, but the problems are mostly the same.
If you are serious, here's my advise:
Hire a group of American engineers to set material specifications and technical drawings. Yes, they cost 10 times what your local engineers do, and it's because their worth it.
Do ALL QA/QC in the US, by American workers. Do not deviate from the specs set up by the engineers. Yes, it costs more, because it's worth it.
You get the advantage of the MADE IN AMERICA sticker, and you can charge more money for it.

 
All good advise
 
Copy the Japanese on consistent quality and replace any defective scope no questions asked in 14 days or less. Customers service is VERY important in the American market, especially now with the internet.
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Quality control means reliably meeting the design specifications with few if any deviations from them. 
 
If the spec is to produce a product using low quality materials to meet a low cost, and you meet this spec, you have nothing of value to sell that isn't already being made by NCStar, Leapers, BSA, etc.
 
China could produce a scope and be competitive if the design was to produce optics of the highest quality, sell it at the lower prices made possible by the lower cost of labor, and back it up with best in class service.
 
If you are not going to do this then please find something else to make.  We do not need any more low price Chinese optical products in the American market, we already have plenty.
 
 
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Originally posted by Smokey53119 Smokey53119 wrote:

Quality control means reliably meeting the design specifications with few if any deviations from them. 
 
If the spec is to produce a product using low quality materials to meet a low cost, and you meet this spec, you have nothing of value to sell that isn't already being made by NCStar, Leapers, BSA, etc.
 
China could produce a scope and be competitive if the design was to produce optics of the highest quality, sell it at the lower prices made possible by the lower cost of labor, and back it up with best in class service.
 
If you are not going to do this then please find something else to make.  We do not need any more low price Chinese optical products in the American market, we already have plenty.
 
 


Amen, brother!  Outstanding post!
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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

The only problem with stuff made in China is that it's made in China.

i agree 100% my friend!Excellent
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If you would remove the Optical in that last line it would make it better yet.
 
If you are not going to do this then please find something else to make.  We do not need any more low price Chinese optical products in the American market, we already have plenty. 
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  Yea,but they got us by the b*lls now.  We owe em' TOO MUCH.
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Why not just call it even for saving their Commie butts from the Japanese in WWII! I agree with all afore mentioned statements on optical quality, and quality control. Let's face it, if yall start with good ingredients, work to exact specifications, you still make a butt-load of money on the slave labor! 
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Originally posted by lina lina wrote:

Dear Friends
 
Could you tell me how much problems exists in your riflescope that made in China?
 
We are a newer in Riflescope manufacture, and we hope to try our best to solve the problems.
 
Thanks a lot
Hippie
 
The problem with China is Americans....We go over there and build companys
and send pure junk back to sell all the fools who want things they can't afford
unless the come from a junk hole.....Make that Greedy Americans without morals..
 
Chinas real problem, They don't know how things we want work, and what we use
them for, I think they think we buy them just to look at with poor eyesight even..
They have no pride, no morals, no values, no knowlege, and what seem to be an
apathy towards anything good....I mean it seems they have a attitude that says
to us just build this junk them dumb Americans will buy it, and we do......some buy
scopes to put on rifles the'll never shoot, never learn how to shoot, so they can tell
their friends they have a mil-dot scope with a lighted retical, What a crock of Bull....
 
If it were up to me I'd drop 10 or 20 nukes on the whole place, that way we won't
have to worry about that crap hole anymore......
 
And That's the attitude you get from me for taking all our jobs, so we have no $
to spent to keep out economy pumping, and all your crapy companys making
pure junk and forcing it down our throats, buying up all our elected officals, so
they'll past laws to your benifit...
 
If you really want to make a difference move your co to America hire americans to
build your products offer 100% warranty no questions asked, make high quality
products and sell to people who need them, not some junk that looks and works
like crap. Feel good about your product, forget about the 91% profit margin, and
worry about satifying the customer.............
 
Sorry forum members for such a mean 1st post, I just seen this China thing and
got a little I'll about all the things I bought made in china that went strait from
the store to the trash can, I used to feel like a fool....but no more china junk
for me, I'll do without first....Besides I think I just stated what alot of people feel
but just won't say....If not I'm sure you guys will let me know...........
 
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