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Guys I just bought my 1st In-line 50Cal ML.  I've had a Hawkens BP ML I built from a kit some 15yrs ago.  I've always shot GOEX Blk Powder in it.
 
I have been told to take maximum advantage of the In-line design I should use pyrodes, 777 etc.
I am not a fan of the pellets casue I want to be able to completely dial in a load.
 
What Powders, primers and projectiles do you guys with in-lines use and perfer most?
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I have been using triple seven for years.  It is much cleaner than black powder and pyrodex.  There are a lot of other black powder supplements out now that claim to be even better.  I have just never tried any of them as the triple seven seems to work for my needs.  Maybe when I run out I will give one of the others a go.
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Jason what caps due you use?  The In-line I just got is an older TC black Diamond with open breach and from the reading I've been doing, is sited for excessive blowback using 209s.  It gets all over a scope.  The BD has the capability to use other caps by changing nipples.
I have also seen where some are now using Large Rifle primers...
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I use 209s.  I have an TC Omega and a ProHunter so they are sealed breach so I don't have to worry about any blowback. 

My old Knight had an open breach and it just used the standard old muzzleloader caps.  It blew all kinds of black crap all over the center of my scope.  It was definitely messier. 
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If your stick uses '209' ignition, this is what you want:
 
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Blackhorn 209 nothing else compares period.

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I've beem seeing alot of praise for Blackhorn 209 but it is sited as by far the worse blow back offender in  a TC Black Diamond and that worries me...
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I would not be to concerned about the blowback Bud.  With my knight it was not like it would blast you in the face or anything.  It would just dirty up the breach and the bottom of my scope real good. 

I am still using the same scope I have had for over 15 years on my Omega now.  It has black all over the bottom of it from that Knight.
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Buckhorn is supposed to be very good but I have been using Tripple 7 for several years with good results so I am hesitant to change. Please note this however you must run a wet patch down the bore after every shot and best if followed by a dry patch this will keep everything consistent.  Also eventually you will get a patch and the rod stuck in the bore at the base of it - when that happens just pour a little solvent down make it wet and it will come back out. A little bit of tape can be used to protect the scope above the primer.  I use 209 primers. There are some that think these are too hot but Im killing deer at 200 yds and thats all Im looking for out of it. For the bullet I prefer the 250 gr Barnes sabot.
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Your really uaving to run a patch down every round? I shot 15 rounds at the range the other day and never swabbed it once. My last 4 shots were just over 3 iches at 100 yards.

You should try the Powerbelts. They domt seem to leave as much residue
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I've used several different powders and pellets and my 2 favorite are triple seven magnum pellets and blackhorn 209 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would not be to concerned about the blowback Bud.  With my knight it was not like it would blast you in the face or anything.  It would just dirty up the breach and the bottom of my scope real good. 

I am still using the same scope I have had for over 15 years on my Omega now.  It has black all over the bottom of it from that Knight.


I use it in my TC G2 .45 shoot 20 shots without swabbing far cleaner than anything that's on the market. I've never used pellets because loose powder is much better. I started using 777 and switched to Blackhorn 209 when it came out. I wouldn't use 777 now if it was free. I'm not saying it's bad it just doesn't compare to 209. Go on any muzzleloader forum and I'll guarantee you that 99% of the guys are using 209.

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Okay So it looks to be between 777 and BH209....
 
Now what bullet and weight do you prefer? 
Wes = 250Gr Sabot Barnes...  Thats actually a 45Cal bullet in a 50Cal sleeve (sabot) isn't it?
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So anyone use the "pyrodex" or whatever its called in the black container with the orangeish label anymore?Bucky
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Just face it G...your a statisical outlier! Wink
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I just didn't know I aint shot BP in a long time.  I have like 4 containers of it.  Will make fireworks with it if it ain't good in an inline BP rifle.
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It will still work just fine. There are just other options nowdays
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I haven't shot my Hawkins in years, myself.  When I did it was real BP with ball and patch.  Being it is a reproduction of an early American rifle I felt that was appropriate.  It is surprisingly accurate but a hassle to clean...
 
In line is a hunt rifle so it's about accuracy and repeatability under varying conditions.  I definately like the idea of easy clean since that was why I got tired of the Hawkins...
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I'd check to see what the shelf life is on Pyrodex if you've had it a long time.  Especially if it's in plastic containers versus tin... I have no idea how hygroscopic Pyrodex is.
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I have a CVA Optima and I had a lot of trouble with Blackhorn 209 not igniting. I would have had to drill out my breech plug a lot to make it ignite better but I saw no need since 777 works flawless. I have yet to have one issue with Triple 7 but you guys can have the Blackhorn 209, I will not try again.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

It will still work just fine. There are just other options nowdays


I wouldn't take it for free !

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

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Because blackthorn 209 is that much better, understand I don't have a horse in this race. There is no comparison..

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Blackhorn cleans likes somkeless,,,huge plus right their. No swabbing between shots and getting the rod jammed on a crud ring because you don't have the priceier muzzleloading '209' primers handy. Unlike older BP substitutes, shelf life is essentially indefinite, another big plus.  
It does require a high flame temp to ignite, so use hot '209's', but still, no nasty crud ring at the breech end.
 
Lamentably, because of the hot spark required,  it isn't suitable for sidelocks,,,unless you convert to '209' ignition. I considered that for one of my sticks, but decided the conversion wasn't suitble for the field.  
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Originally posted by hatton mann hatton mann wrote:

Blackhorn cleans likes somkeless,,,huge plus right their. No swabbing between shots and getting the rod jammed on a crud ring because you don't have the priceier muzzleloading '209' primers handy. Unlike older BP substitutes, shelf life is essentially indefinite, another big plus.  
It does require a high flame temp to ignite, so use hot '209's', but still, no nasty crud ring at the breech end.
 
Lamentably, because of the hot spark required,  it isn't suitable for sidelocks,,,unless you convert to '209' ignition. I considered that for one of my sticks, but decided the conversion wasn't suitble for the field.  


Well said H M when I said 20 shots without swabbing I was being conservative. There isn't anything to compare with it.


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