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I have a friend who wants to get a pistol and his carry permit this will be his first pistol and he wants either a 9mm or a .40 he was looking at a Kahr CW9 but I keep telling him to also look at the Glocks and Springfield XD's... does anyone have a Kahr CW9 or has anyone shot one? What do you think about the Kahr CW9 would he be better off with a Glock or XD?
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Mine a Gen 1 it has served me well for almost 20 yrs.  although I may have 10000 rounds through it. it's still a shooter.  I have two barrels for it a comped NM and the stock barrel. 
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Whats the budget? Hard to beat a tuned 1911 for carry, provided you can afford one and can shoot one accurately in a hurry.  
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Depending on what gun it is he wants it to be around $425-$550 I think so a 1911 wont happen and he likes 9mm cuz he can carry alot of rounds but i keep tellin him a .40 has more power and will carry almost as many rounds as a 9mm

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I agree a tuned 1911 is one hard gun to beat!
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Being that your bud is a first time hand gun shooter perhaps the 9mm would be choice for his first handgun. ammo I think is abit cheaper as far as practice ammo goes in the 9mm....I reload so I may not be up to date on what is available. The handgun needs to fit his hand for grip control which aids accuracies and recoil. My G20 is not for medium hands or for the smaller puny hands so with that thought the XD may offer what ergo's his hands require. Get him to handle some handguns prior to purchasing......I gave my daughter my CZ 40 some yrs. back and it has "snappy" recoil although with practice she was hitting her target fairly quickly. Willingness and determination on her part enabled her to over come the 40's snap and recoil if you will. This was her first auto-loader and is now after some 4yrs. ready to get another ... she likes the XD ergo's. She did not take to my Glock.

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forgot to mention with todays bullet design for personal protection.....the 9mm does not give up much compared to the 40 Smith
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Originally posted by Preston Preston wrote:

I agree a tuned 1911 is one hard gun to beat!
 
I still daily carry a Gen II G17.....Wink
 
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Welcome to the OT, Jack! Sound wisdom in your post.
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I agree 9mm ammo is cheaper for practice. He shot a glock .40 and liked it but he hasnt ever shot a Kahr or an XD. I told him that he needs to hold them and see what fits his hand the best. He likes the Kahr and Glock but hasnt taken a look at an XD yet.

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Welcome to the OT, Jack! Sound wisdom in your post.
 
 
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I have the 9mm 4" ported service Springfield XD and I really like it, 16+1 round capacity.  I had some ejection issues for the first 1000 rounds, so I sent it back to Springfield who then polished the feed ramp, replaced and tuned the extractor and fired a box of factory 115s and a box of +Ps through it, had it back to me in three weeks free of charge other than shipping.  Runs great now, I have three friends that have the same gun but without porting and shoot their guns quite a bit also and have had no problems whatsoever.  You might look into the XDM also the 9mm carries 19+1 and the 40 carries 16+1 also I think it has interchangeable backstraps for different size hands, match grade barrel and trigger.  Glocks are great too though, your buddy should try to see if any local ranges might rent glocks or xd's and see which one fits him best.
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if your friend likes the feel and size of the kahr he may also want to check out the walther pps it also has the interchangeable grip for custom fit. also comes in 9 and 40 cal
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I vote for the G19 or USP compact, both in 9mm. They are easy to control and, regardless of the ammo scare, ammo is everywhere. The 9mm is easy to control and the penetration is better than all but the best of 10mm/.40 and .45 loads.
Both of these guns carry IWB or OWB easily and they are reliable as a rock.

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I have a Kahr E9 and it is a POS and I would not trust it for anything.  I realize it is a different model but it has turned me off Kahrs considerably. 

Down at the school Front Sight in Nevada that I attend ofter rumor has it a Kahr has never made it through a 4 day class without a complete failure of the gun to where it cannot be used for the remainder of the class. 

My particular model the entire firing pin mechanism blew out the back one day while my dad was shooting it.  It had less than 500 rounds through it.  Pretty disappointing. 
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For budget and fit you might have him look at the M9 Baretta. They are extemely simple and in my experience very reliable. The grip is a good fit for most and it handles most any ammo without issue. Yes I'm prejudice being that it is my go to pistol. But it is a good starter pistol. And holds value well enough to make a decent trade when you are ready to look at something else. You can get it in 9mm or 40, but I would stay with the 9mm for ammo cost and availability. This being his first pistol, he should think more towards affordability and a good fit so he will get more enjoyment out of time spent shooting. After he has spent suffecient trigger time then he will be better able to know what he likes.
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IF he is a friend then why recommend any of these guns to him?Jerry Springer
Seriously... There is something to be said for old school.  My first two picks would be a Browning Hi-power followed by a CZ-75something. They are fast, reliable, and more ergonomic.  Then since the number one rule of concealed cary is to conceal, the Sig 239.  I know, I know all the other kids have Glocks and XD, but didn't your mother raise raise you not to be Sheeple?
 
Beretta 92??? Ask me about Beretta PartsCencored I am still back ordered a recoil spring for my model 85 after 6 months. At least they are not the Jerks that H&K was to me.
 
Your bud is new to this stuff.  Then he does not need to focus on the whole power thing.  He can work into that.  HE needs a gun he can afford to practice with. Better a gun that he can hit with damn fast.  More bullets more bulk.  HE does not need a lot of bullets, just a gun that ergonomic enough that he can make the first round count. If the first one counts then you don't need to worry about the other as much.Dirty Harry 
 
Again I'd put a 9mm Hi-power, a CZ or a Sig ahead of most of the guns listed already. He can trade up later.
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I know this will sound very old school but my suggestion if for him to buy a Smith and Wesson .357 revolver in either 4 inch or 6 inch with the 6 inch being one that he will be more likely to shoot accurately and the 4 inch being easier to carry.   
Des Moines PD doesnt trust Kahr enough to let their officers use it for off duty.

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Load No
Caliber
Grains/ Grams
Bullet Style
Brand
Use
P9HS1
9mm Luger (9x19mm Parabellum)
124 / 8.04
PD357HS2H
357 MagnumThunbs Up
130 / 8.42
P40HS2
40 S&W
155 / 10.04
P44HS1
44 Rem. MagnumThunbs Up
240 / 15.55
P45HS1
45 Auto
230 / 14.9

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
25 Y
50 Y
75 Y
100 Y
P9HS1
9mm Luger (9x19mm Parabellum)
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what a toss up!! both the glock and the xd are excellent, the glock has a great service record and is well known for being one of those guns that will always go bang. the xd is the new kid on the block so to speak, i really like the feel of the xd myself. if i were your friend iwould maybe go some place and shoot both then decide.
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I'm of the same thought with beginners myself......perhaps ole school as you say. I started off both my boys with 617's-10shot cylinders. Cheapest way to go and it has instilled into them handgun awareness. I bought them a Quality revolver from the start, the fit and finish is pleasing to start off with and least of all the name of Smith carries a proud history. I bought both a 6" and a 4" and let them take there pick for whatever reason. My oldest chose the 6" hoping to scope it down the road and the younger liked the 4 as it would be handier and not so heavy......their logic.

Ammo is definately cheaper.....an adult enjoys developing his/her accuracies from hours of cheap practice. Just as in a long gun, breathing, stance and concentration is key. They get to know themselves a heck of alot cheaper......that word is used much but very true. After endless hours of shooting this handgun they either smooth the action from use and/or do an action job, change grips etc.....in the end much pride has developed.

Don't quit! Practice, practice and lots more practice.....when you begin this interest you either finish and become and accomplished handgun shooter for self defense and/or a hunter or just stop while your ahead and sell the gun. Don't develop bad habits from the start ..... it seems to cause one to do just that quit.

I've never had a revolver jam or fail to feed for any reason...obviously it does not have the round capacity as a auto-loader but your of mind to make the first shot count in most instances or it should be ideal.

For a auto-loader I personally like my dbl.action Glock....an LW ultimate trigger stop,#22 recoil spring/SS captured guide rod,3.5 trigger connector, 6"KKM bbl. w/LW 6"" slide and Heine rear and Dawson f/o front. It is one fine shooting piece......accurate to boot, as it should be.

One of the hardest hitting auto rounds you can get.....carry it for protection here where I live. Boat quite abit and can come across many strange 2 legged critters with very weird/dangerous behaviors...moreso than animals. If a black bear gives me some problems and they have a few times in the past and again more than grizz this round has the load combo to put them down....200grn XTP w/800X.

Apologize that I rattled on, figured once again I'd be thorough in explaining my needs. Your friend needs to find his particular caliber and use and go from there. But more importantly is the need to practice....alot. It gets expensive for many.....good luck


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I agree with Ufriend (Wes): 1911 is a great gun, but not a beginner gun.

I own a Kahr PM40 and it has been a great gun, a few hiccups with break-in, nothing since.  I would not recommend it as one's only firearm (small, not easy to control) and would only recommend it to someone needing a very covert carry gun.
Additionally, REMF here on the OT had a PM45 and it was pure garbage, went back to Kahr 4 times and never ran right, finally he sold it.

Kahr would be far from the top of my list.


I'd recommend a good .357mag, can shoot 38s for practice, very well-proven stopping power.

If he wants a semi-auto, Beretta makes a very user-friendly gun, XD is a good gun, Glock makes good guns.

Personally, I can't shoot handguns with that acute grip angle, they don't index for me.  I also prefer guns (especially for carry) with a mechanical safety.

I recommend your friend go to a range where he can handle and shoot several different variants.  Something will fit him well and will naturally point well for him, others will not.


Glock has a great track record, so does XD, so does Beretta, so does Browning Hi-Power (but, again, not a beginner gun, in my opinion.)  I recommend he either go with a wheel-gun to learn the basics, or try several autos on for size before dropping his $$.

and, in the end, it is a handgun, it is not intended to lay down a field of fire, no need for 16 rounds, might be nice at times, but allot of dead weight to carry around, and God forbid he ever sends a stray down-range.
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If you  friend can go to a shooting range that rents guns he should try several, how a gun fits his hand is important. If he can he would be ahead to take a defensive hand gun class before he buys. By the time he finishes he should know what feels good to him in his hand and most ranges that sell handguns will take them back in on trade up if he wants too change guns. Too big a frame handgun in you hand is a miserable choice just like one that is too small, a hand gun is a personal thing if you find the right one you keep it till it is worn out.
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