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I found a great deal locally today on S&W ORC 223's and may have to buy one.  If I go this route I would like to get the rifle setup for picking up targets quickly and getting reasonably accurate hits to a minimum of 300 yards.

I like the idea of the Eotech with the bullet drop compensator on it, but wanted to see what other people on here might think of.
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I'd get a good 1-4 vs a holographic or red dot especially if you want to use it out to 300.
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If you plan on shooting to 300 yards and want to be precise then I would take a red dot type scope out of the picture.  Think 1-4x or 2-7x. 

What is your budget for this scope?
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I had an eotech 552 but I quickly found out,unless you purchase a seperate magnifier the sight is made for close quarter combat.You should be able to use an eotech with the magnifier but at a $1200 cost?????????
The above scopes are very good recommendations.Think Vortex 2-7 or SWFA SS 3-9!
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At what will you be shooting?
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EDITED.
 
 
As far as glass goes, Vortex is hard to beat here...


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Originally posted by VYD VYD wrote:

May I suggest you invest in a higher quality AR before you worry about optics... S&W is not known and will never be known for building high quality AR platforms. It's an AR15 look-alike junk. What a POS! A gun that has to be babied with is not worth my hard-earned dollars. But what do they care? They care less about quality as long as they get your money. When the patent was released years and years and years ago, virtually every manufacturer decided they need to have their own "black gun" when in fact some of them should have kept their mouths shut and stick to what they do/did best. I have seen too many of them jam, double feed, tripple feed, and blow up in shooters' faces or someone standing/sitting on the side watching this "masterpiece" print tiny groups at any distance...ahh...yeah, right. So please reconsider your options if you can.
 
As far as glass, Vortex is hard to beat here...
 
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Edited by SVT_Tactical - September/14/2010 at 14:39
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 I also like low power Nikons and Leupolds for AR platform


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Back on topic.

What is the intended target?
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Where I shoot it's steel targets, but I'm also thinking SHTF.
 
LOL, I haven't looked at this since I first asked the question and half of the responses have been edited.  LOL, what did you guys do while I was gone?
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Originally posted by teddy12b teddy12b wrote:

Where I shoot it's steel targets, but I'm also thinking SHTF.
 
LOL, I haven't looked at this since I first asked the question and half of the responses have been edited.  LOL, what did you guys do while I was gone?
 
LOL, sorry, I got carried away...Whacko 
Have you looked at any of Vortex glass?
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Trijicon 1-4X is hard to beat, maybe a 2-7. maybe a 3-9.

My money would be on a nice 1-4X.  It ain't a precision weapon, no need for too much complication or glass.

Some here need a smoke check from time to time, all is well.

Carry on.
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myself i tried a 1-4 power and i didnt like i for 100+ yards. i went to a 3x9
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Originally posted by teddy12b teddy12b wrote:

I found a great deal locally today on S&W ORC 223's and may have to buy one.  If I go this route I would like to get the rifle setup for picking up targets quickly and getting reasonably accurate hits to a minimum of 300 yards.


I agree with Rancid. You might try looking at 1-4X scopes. The Schmidt Bender Short-Dot is the king of the hill for this concept, especially since you invoked the dreaded SHTF scenario. It's perfect for zombie plinking. The Meopta K-dot is another example. They have a great field of view and make for quick target acquisition. I've seen the Millett DMS get dis-recommended by a couple of dealers lately but it is affordable.

The magnification depends on what you're really going to use it for. If you're really going to shoot paper, go 3-9X or 3.5-10X. If you're going to try and hit varmints out there, you may want 14X on the top end.
Originally posted by teddy12b teddy12b wrote:

I like the idea of the Eotech with the bullet drop compensator on it, but wanted to see what other people on here might think of.

Just in case the reply from stickbow46 wasn't clear - you can't use the BDC dots on that EOTech without the magnifier. To the naked eye, they look like one blurry red dot.

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If you are looking for something for your AR15 check out the Nikon M-223 line. I just got back from a big shoot in Missouri where a bunch of internet guys got to shoot the entire line of M-223 scopes, and all, yes all, were amazed at how easy they were to use. I personally have a Nikon 4-16x42 with the BDC reticle on my AR10 which I brought for guys to shoot. These guys were hitting a 4 inch plastic bottle of Tannerite at 630 yards! The BDC works especially when you use the Spot On Ballistic Match Technology Program with some range time. You will be amazed. I think it says a lot for Nikon to parade these products out for actual use by industry professionals. Shows their belief in the quality products they have for us to use.

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I have the exact same gun.  Currently am running a Eotech 512 in a GG&G quick detach mount.  Works well enough, although I don't have the magnifier.
 
I have a Viper PST 2.5x10x44 on order which will go in another GG&G FLT quick detach mount.  I'll be able to change it at will then depending on the kind of shooting I'm doing.
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The Eotech isn't the answer if you are going to be shooting targets at 300 yds.  The 1 MOA dot, tends to cover up the bulls eye at 100, so even with the magnifier at 300 you'll be hard pressed to shoot tight groups do to the dot covering the entire 10 ring.
 
Now if you're going to shoot steel targets, the Eotech would get the job done.  I'm gonna try mine out on some coyotes this winter.  Like I said above, I opted to go with a scope with more magnification for some uses, and the Eotech for closer in.
 
For what it's worth, I've shot the hell out of my S&W MP15OR and it's never missed a beat.  No misfires, jams, failures to feed or eject.  The ole girl just keeps slinging lead down range.  It may not be a tack driver compared to some folk's setups, but it shoots good enough groups for me, and it works on killin' critters if I do my part.
 
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SHTF rifle ??? ACOG ... no batteries required Excellent
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The only way to pick out what is right for you is to think about what will be your uses....
Then price point, finally go look at some. Don't forget the mounts either. AR mounts are very specific. 
I have my favorites and I have 5 AR's all tricked out differently for different uses.



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What's with all the SHTF rifle questions lately, have you people not been paying attention for the past 2 years?

Damn!

When it comes to all-purpose, SHTF rifles with optics, Sapper nailed it, batteries!  For a quasi-SHTF rifle (mild urban unreast, home defense, badgers with rabies), Aimpoint or EoTech, Nightforce, or anything else with batteries is acceptable.  When it comes to the real suck (complete collapse of all basic services, no electricity, no flowing water, no food delivered to the local grocer), relying on batteries gets you dead.

If you do indeed anticipate an apocalypse in the next 10 years, Trijicon is the only way to go, whether with an ACOG or Accupoint or Reflex, it's mission specific, but survival NEVER depends on batteries working.

All that said, no one really prepares for the apocalypse, more for the badgers with rabies.
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