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A friend was peaking over my shoulder at work, and commented that (1): I should be working, and (2):  “Why do people seem to ask what items to buy, but never what not to buy?”

While pretending to ‘get back to work’ I thought it was a very good point. 

 

So let’s start a list for scopes you wouldn’t even let your brother-in-law purchase:

 

My break down is as follows-

 

Tasco-Even if you found an older Japanese model, repairs out of ABO in Florida are iffy at best.  I sent them some binos about six years ago, they sent them back, and did fix the fuzzy lens.  But the pivot points were very loose, and required two hands at all times to use.  When I called ABO about it, they would (for a new fee, and naturally the shipping charges) fix what they messed up.

 

BSA-I ordered a 3-9x when they were very new, when it arrived, it had an ooze coming out of the front lens.  I sent it right back, they sent another back, it had a broken reticle.  Never mounted it.

 

NcStar-Looked at one once……IKKY.

 

Simmons-I have had very good luck with my Whitetail Classic, I got it when Simmons was still pre-Blount.  But it is in the same boat as a Jap Tasco.  I put it on my .22WMR, still works good.

 

Leapers-Never saw one or touched one.  Don’t want to either.

 

And usually I tell people, if is under $100 unless used from a pawn shop or something, don’t mess with it.  A guy near McAlester was selling a Burris Fullfield (not the II), for a few bucks.  The jerk in line before me told the seller (a non-hunter), that she could send it in to Burris and get it fixed for free, and sell it for three times as much.

 

But most of my friends get suckered in to looking how ‘bright’ the cheapie is in the store.  I try and tell them a paper towel tube looks clear in the store.  But when I have them read an aisle sign on the other side of the store, they seem to grasp the quality (or lack of) of the scope.

 

The only cheap scope that I will keep is a Millett Buck Gold (3-9x 44).  I purchased this from Mr. Millett proper, at the Nuernberg Gun Show in 2000.  It is not a bright scope at all, but is clear from edge to edge.  I got quite a few German Roe Deer with it. 

Would I recommend it to a friend?  Maybe. 

It has been sitting  in a closet for a long while.  So just to see if they would do it, I contacted Bushnell.  Told them I needed scope work on the Millet, and for postage cost, they changed the adjustment dials, and repurged it.  I put it on my Savage 24 (.22WMR/20GA) and First popped off a box of 20GA, then zeroed the scope to the .22WMR, then 10 pops of 20GA, then found the zero for the .22WMR was still accurate to 90 yards.

But the Millet will go on a single shot I have my eye on.  Unless some jerk tells the pawn broker to raise the price.
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It's hard for me to tell people to do or not do anything as I'm just not wired up that way. "unless it's my kids, who by default have to accept because I said so as a logical answer" I will and have tried to nudge people away from things that I have had a bad experience with. That being said the scopes I have tried to suggest other options for include some of the following:  


1.  Anything made by N.C. Star

2.  Any BSA with more than 9x on the top end

3.  Any Leapers with more than 9x on the top end

4.  Anything from Tasco "current production" other than the red dot sights

5.  C O U N T E R sniper.  

6.  Any of the Bushnell scopes lower than the Trophy line. 

7.  Anything from Barska


I'm really not one to over-estimate the importance of my own opinion or extent of my optics knowledge. I go to enough gun shows to see that 90% of the optics there are junk, but see people buying it anyway as they think they are getting a bargain. A seller can sell hundreds of $60 scopes that they make $15-20 bucks on before they find someone looking for a top shelf scope they make $150 on. 


I agree that $100 is a good break over point and to expect good gear for less than that is, well, enthusiastic.



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I feel far from being an over-estimater the importance of my own opinion.   I am just hoping to save people aggravation. 

I became a scope user in Germany, and really had no one to advise me on American scopes (couldn't afford any Euro optics like Zeiss).  The money I wasted on having family members (who do not hunt), send me scopes cost me more in the long run.

  If computer and internet technology was five or six years ahead of time, big money would have been saved by me on scopes.  The internet really changed things for me.   I started in (the now defunct) ALLOUTDOORS, and it got me on the right track.

I still do a bit of trial & error, but I still ask a lot of questions.   I have 1144 postings on my other hunting web place that I frequent.  I am a big information seeker, willing to learn from the experience of others.    That is why my M98 will wear a Vortex Diamondback.  I never heard of Vortex before I joined this forum.

And lastly, my biggest reason for a posting like this.

 A German friend in one of the shooting clubs I was in over there, saved and saved for a DRMS Panther.  He even invested in the top of the line scope rings (forgot the actual brand but the rings alone cost him 300 Euros), but he put a Tasco Golden Antler on it!Shocked
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Sorry if I gave the impression that I felt you were  over-estimating. "not the case at all, was speaking purely from my own mind-set"  

I really hear ya on information technology helping out a little belatedly. For years I bought what ever had the biggest top end in my price range. In doing so I got poor impressions of a lot of optics and for the most part always bought the wrong scope. I am replacing the poor choices as I can and like you wish the information here had been there when I was looking before.


You'll like the Diamondback. It's a great hunting scope. 


Look at the bright side, when your buddy gets really disappointed because his rifle will not hit repeatably, you might can get it for cheap. Wink I shot 2 boxes of .308's trying to sight in a rifle with a Tasco on it before I finally figured out that the point of impact was changing after each shot because the recoil had made the innerds all wonky. That rifle now has a Diamondback on it and is a good shooter. 



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neilbill,

I wasn't implying that you were implying  anything (well you know what I mean).  I kind of reread some things I post on the various hunting pages, and realize I tend to forget to put my rational behind what I write.

I have a classmate (I am an overweight middle aged government, intern not a teen school kid) who is in his mid 30's looking for a scope.  He wants to buy a NcStar for his Weatherby.  I am totally cringing inside.  But you can't tell him crap about the smell of poop.  I am trying to steer him to a Bushnell Trophy as a minimum.

The German fella with the AR is on his own now that I am back in Oklahoma.  I am toying with a purchase of a Colt or Armalite, but I need (yeah need!) a low priced .243 bolt action first.

If my smith is true to his word, the M98 project should be done Teusday, then it's Vortex time!Head Bang
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