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Just a quick note to any who would care to respond... I really would like to know what makes the Vari X III of lesser quality than the VXIII?   I own several Vari X III and several Burris Signatures and just right now cannot see moving up to Leupold's new line of scopes, without serious justifications.    Sure I want a newer scope for a new gun I just purchased, but cannot see how the Leupold Boone and Crockett reticles are really any better than the Burris Black Diamond with Ballistic Mil Dot...  They are to me, just a different method to get to the same conclusion...Accurate shot placement out to 400 yards, aren't they?

          This response has more to do with the extra purchase price of a Leupold VX III, than with understanding the difference of the two systems...  But please feel free to give me your opinion.

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One thing that would have been a nice change, would have been for Leupold to change to a laser etched reticle, instead of the old, obsolete wire reticle.

 

The new VXIII is a copy of the Zeiss Conquest, but lacks the optical resolution and the laser etched reticle that the Conquest offers.    

 

A fixed, versus a variable eye relief would have been a good change up too. Again, the Conquest offers fixed.

 

 

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and is supposedly brighter, becuase of index matched lenses. my 2004 VXII 4-12x40 is just as clear as my 2003 VXIII 4.5-14 when using the same exit pupil, so basically, the new VXIII's are better than the old ones, and the new VXII's are jsut liek the old VXIII's

 

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Hello All,

      I agree that they have made ergonomic changes as well as other enhancements to their line.  I am not saying that they are not high quality scopes.... I guess my biggest B@#$^ is that there is not anything other than an added reticle ranging system that to me would justify the increase in prices. 

      I am not sure if my eyes are all that bad, or if anyone can tell index matched lenses from ordinary Vari X III lenses??? So do you get what I am saying..?   I am all for product improvements, but when you get down to where the rubber meets the road, how much of this technology improvement is going to make one iota of difference on your next hunt?

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Think of it like the WSM craze going on with rifles right now.  You have to offer the consumer something new every so often to keep his attention.  Forget the fact that it is really questionable just how much the new product is an improvement on the old.  Apparently new equals better across the board.  All of that being said, yes the VXIII is better then the Vari-XIII.  No the VXIII is not as good as the price would indicate.

 

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Just as a reminder, Leupold advertised the use of the " indexed, matched lens coatings" in their 2003 catalog. Now the hype it as if it were a monumental discoverey for 2004. I think this kind of goes in part to what ranburr stated.

 

 

 

Hey ranburr, is th VXIII a " copy of the Zeiss Conquest"? If Leupold was going to copy a scope for an improvement, than they should have used the Elite 4200 as a base line!!!!!!!



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I suppose I understand what you are trying to tell me.  Thanks for your efforts.  I am mostly lamenting that the Economy is going everywhere except at my job so that I, too, can enjoy a nice little pay increaase to keep pace with inflation.

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Chasseur106, I posed a similar question to yours, and so far the responce that makes the most sense is the one from ranburr. I don't want to give ranburr a heart attack, but, I would take his favorite 3-9x40 Conquest over the new and improved Leupold VX-III any day of the week.
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Roy Finn....I would too,  in my opinion there are many scopes of equal or lesser price that are superior to Leupold.  As I have said before, the best things about Leupold are it's marketing/advertising, and customer service.  Their scopes are very average in my opinion.
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Thank you to all who responded to me...

              I agree that Zeiss is very nice.  I have not purchased any scopes recently because I had to put money down and buy a truck, which screws my budget for a while.

              The position of philosophy that I think I must rely on is this...  I agree that there are nicer scopes than Leupold for the money, however, with the recent (last 20 years), outsourcing of American jobs to other countries, I think I will celebrate my American Scope manufacturers, Burris, and Leupold for most of my purchases for now and for in the future.

             Is there any among us, who would like to see foreigners making all of our stuff???  It is bad enough that the United Nations wants to take away our rights to keep and bear arms, and that John Kerry supports the U.N., so I will have to stay with G.W. Bush, Burris and Leupold!

              Thanks once again for your commentary.

                     Chasseur106 

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While I appreciate your love of country, I believe you would be surprised at the amount of materials that Leupold uses that are not made in the good 'ol USA. The glass primarily is Jap.

Not a slam on Loopie, but a fact none the less.

 

The only scope that I know of made 100% in the US, is US Optics.

 

Sorry about your financial detour, I have several of my own right now as well.  

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Cheap Trick,

       What info do you glean from what source that says Leupold is getting their glass from foreign sources?  I am not saying that you're not correct, it is that I have been to their site on the internet many times and have not seen, apparently the same info that you have.  Are you certain of this?

           Thanks and have a great rest of the weekend.

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Cheap trick is correct.  Leupold glass comes from Japan.

 

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That could onl be a good thing for Leupold, unless they when to Schlott!!!
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Originally posted by chasseur106 chasseur106 wrote:

Cheap Trick,

       What info do you glean from what source that says Leupold is getting their glass from foreign sources?  I am not saying that you're not correct, it is that I have been to their site on the internet many times and have not seen, apparently the same info that you have.  Are you certain of this?

           Thanks and have a great rest of the weekend.

                  Chasseur106

 

This is a fairly well known fact. I didnt say that to sway you or slam Leupold. I happen to like high quality Jap glass. My Nikon LX Venturers served me very well, as well as several Nikon rifle scopes.

 

Night Force also uses Jap. glass. It wouldnt surprise me if Zeiss and some of the other Euro scope guys buy Jap. glass from time to time. High quality glass is one thing. But, I think that coatings are as much or more important. 

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the last i heard, sightron is making leupolds glass.

 

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I too understand that Leupold uses Jap glass.  They make no bones about it with many of their products, specifically some binos, which they admit are imported. 
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only the wind river stuff, and thats the reason they put WIND RIVER in bid letters instead os LEUPOLD.

 

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Leupold still markets wind river as Leupold product.
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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

the last i heard, sightron is making leupolds glass.

 

cory

 

really?

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thats what i heard, im not 100% on it, but i think sightron is making it.

 

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Well, I just stopped working at Leupold (yesterday was my last day, though I may start a new job on a different shift there soon) but I'm fairly sure that Leupold buys their glass from multiple suppliers.  Most of them are from Japan, yes, but for the simple reason that lenses of the quality that they require simply are not availabe in the US.  I believe that the Rifleman series uses US-made lenses, which do not have the multi-coat coating that the most other Leupold scopes do, but I can't confirm that.

 

Wind River is completely seperate from Leupold except that it carries the guarantee and warranty... you'd be hard pressed to find a Wind River product anywhere on the Leupold campus. 

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Why would you ever willingly stop working at a scope manufacturer?    Think of the contacts and savings.... NOpe just kidding, I am sure that you had your reasons.

         Anyway, that would really be cool knowing how they put them together.   Gotta go and buy one now.

              Blessings.

                     I am not getting a good feeling about this election.  I think that J.Kerry and his lawyer side cohort may have snowed some of the Law abiding gun owners into believing that he, too, is a hunter, and gun owner... WHen in fact he voted 51/ 53 times against our right to own any guns, let alone an AK 47, 74 or AR 15 and all of the variance that could come from that.

                 CHasseur106

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         Hello All!,

           I just bought a used Burris Black Diamond 4-16X 50mm with Ballistic Mil dot from a local gun shop here in Western PA.   I must admit that I really fell in love with the side adjustable PA knob and the clarity of glass on this one.  The best part is that it saved me about $230.00 over buying a new one.  It even came with rings and scope flip open caps from Butler Creek.

          NOW!!!  I'm a happy camper!   Woo hooo!  At last, a great scope for my .300 Win Mag...

   So now I can take off the Leupold Vari-X III, and send it down onto my CZ 527 in .223.  

          Does anyone else use Burris to sometimes replace the cost of a Leupold, besdes me?

                Later and prayerfully,

                     Greater!

                         Scott

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    Hello And Thank you for all your responses!     

           It is going to cost me approximately $8.00 to mount this new scope on a Beretta MATO in .300 Win. MAG. The reason it will cost $8.00 is because I have to buy new mounts for the rifle, as I said the scope already has 30 mm rings on it, that use the Weaver type claw mount.  I call them Picatinny rail mounts, but nobody seems to understand that terminology. THe place where I bought it will mount it for free, since I bought both the rifle and the scope there, and then bore sight it for me. 

          WHAT THIS IS LEADING UP TO:

          This is for a hunt that a friend of mine and I would like to go on.  We are researching on the web to find the best priced hunt's available for out west.  Anyone care to share a recent hunt's experience and give me some hard won advice about what to bring or what not to do??  

              We have never booked a hunt before, so I have lots to do between now and when we plan to go to get ready for it. First I will need to get into shape, this won't be like PA deer hunting that only requires a 4X4 and a shooting stand...  Much different.   I want to go to Idaho, because the tags seem to be so cheap and there seems to be a lot of available open state game land to do so.  I will finish this final essay under the miscellaneous topic forum.

                 Thanks to all!

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