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I bought this scope at a gunshow, $8 I couldnt resist. It seems well made and it`s image is very good.
I`m stumped as to what type of mount is used with this sort of scope I`ve searched and searched and have found no answers, any info is appreciated.




also what is the middle adjustment ring for?it is between the focus and zoom rings- it has a very short travel, about 15 degrees, it doesnt seem to do anything.

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             Don't know what kind of mounts that scope takes! On the scope at the top of the bottom pic it reads Command Post. That middle ring is SUPPOSE to flip a post up that covers the bottom half of the vertical crosshair for sighting in low light situations. Friend of mine has an old Husqvarna(rifle not saw)with a scope that has that feature. His mounts with std rings and bases though. I'm SURE someone here will know what mounts your scope needs. Now whether their still available or not is a different matter.

 

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That scope takes special mounts that Bushnell made back in the late sixties and early seventies.  They called them " Built-in Mounts" to fit their scopes that had the corrugated bottoms on them---the scopes were the M- series.  For instance:  Scopechief IV-M, etc.
 
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Thanks guys,
 I was monkeying around with the scope and The thick post made it`s presence known, I was looking through it and I saw this thick "stick" leaning into the image I thought something was buggered up then I realized the "stick" was nice and symmetrical and appeared to pivot at the center bottom of the scope, thats when it hit me "command post" AHH! now I get it! Pretty cool, you can have fine cross hairs or a thick post and cross hairs reticle with the turn of a ring. I wonder if I can fix it where it works properly?
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 I answered you in the mounts forum, but these guys beat me to the punch.
 I wouldn't think it would be too hard to modify either the scope or a pair of rings to get it mounted up, if you can't find one of the Bushnell mounts.
 Does it look to be a one-inch tube?
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Yes, RONK, that is a 1 inch Scopechief IV.  Bushnell made that type of mount-scope system for both their 1 inch scopes and their 22 scopes.  I found a full page ad for it just a while ago in the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN magazine,  August 1968 issue. 
 
Isn't there someone ( Gary Fellers?) who deals in Mounts and sights and stuff?  Anybody have any suggestions for  finding ODDBALL scope mounts? Sad               --Ed
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Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing                   Well, I DO actually remember those mounts from the sixties!  But, I do have a kind-of collection of old magazines from the old days for reference work.  Guns and scope ads and specs and stuff....and all the old reviews.  Big%20Grin 
 
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Well I managed to get the reticle working again. I took part of the adj. ring off and there was nothing under there that interacted with anything.....?????..... I was puzzled. Upon closer inspection I realized that a magnet was set into the ring and the thick post also had a magnet, when the ring is turned the magnetic fields cause the thick post to stand up, but either my magnet in the ring has lost it`s umph or the pivot point of the post has gummed up.
I ran a strong rare earth magnet under the scope and WHAP the thick post stood up nicely centered, ran the magnet the other way and it disappeared leaving only the fine cross hairs.
I guess I`m going to cut a small piece of the rare earth magnet to replace the original.
As far as the mount goes, I`ve found one for a thompson center rifle on gunbroker but I dont think it will work for me, I want to put the scope in a set of 1" rings on a weaver mount.
I really dont want to modify the scope,it wouldnt be much of a chore to grind two areas fore and aft to make clearance for the rings but the scope tube is not entirely round. It is 1" in diameter for the uppermost 200 degrees of the body but it steps down for the bottom 160 degrees or so, I`m thinking 1" rings wouldnt make full contact and I would be permanently modifying a 40 year old scope that somebody somewhere collects and still not be able to mount it.
I`ll keep looking and if you think of anywhere I could find the bottom half of the mount please let me know.
Thanks for all the help so far,
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Here`s what the lower part looks like, the auction on GB is for the scope and mount.
In the pic you can see the step down in diameter of the scope tube.
The more I look at the scope the more it seems the rail underneath is very similar to a .22 dovetail, if so I might be able to cut the bottoms off a set of .22 rings and modify the weaver mount to accept them.
Wish me luck,
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  Well since I couldn't find what I needed I made my own.
I bought a 3/8" dovetail  to weaver adapter,turned it upside down on top of the side mounts weaver, lined everything up nice and straight and drilled and tapped six 8-32 screws through the adapter. It`s a bit high but it is rock solid. The rifle is a Russian made saiga .308




  I had to go to a few hardware stores and gun shops in town to gather up the things I needed and when asked what I was trying to do I got the same response at least 6 times: "Why don't you just buy a regular scope?"
I could have but then that just wouldn't be me.

Thanks for the help,
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Yes, I don't think that Bushnell made them for saiga's in Eiffel Tower height. Big%20Grin
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wow is all i will say on this one
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 I think that's pretty cool that you figured out that the post flipped up by magnetism.
I never would have guessed that.
 Don't let these guys get to ya for mounting that scope so high, it's impressive that you were able to make a solid mount that makes use of an eight- dollar scope with some unique features.
 More power to you, I say!
 
 
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Very creative, Good Job!
 
But I offer a heads up.
A few years back I customized a british enfield 308 and put a after-market scope mount on it. Why an enfield? I had it and hadn't build anything in several years. It was a challenge. It came out very nice and was a real attention getter. BUT at the time I was taking a few kids from church on their first hunting trip and helping them cultivate their skills and understanding. As well as some older men who were new to hunting. Long story short, I had one guy who had been doing well and I took him to a spot where I had been watching an impressive 6 point that I knew he would be proud of. Just like clock work the 6 walked out about 90 yds. and the guy raises the rifle to take aim and "Thud" where's the scope? Evidently after shooting a dozen or so rounds the locking screws had backed up. All that to say, even if you lock tite the screws keep a check on them for a while. Happy Shooting!!
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I think that that scope mount is a real feat of engineering!!.......all of that tinkering so you could use an old $8 scope!!  FUN!  It's what it's all about!!  Big%20Smile    
 
 
.....and now back to our regular programming..........
 
 
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

I think that that scope mount is a real feat of engineering!!.......all of that tinkering so you could use an old $8 scope!!  FUN!  It's what it's all about!!  Big%20Smile    
 
 
.....and now back to our regular programming..........
 
 
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 So true, Ed!
 Also the best way to LEARN things in the process!
 
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I think this whole thread has been pretty cool. The magnet, the mount and the comments.
Thanks, guys and welcome to O.T., Bossman!

Doug
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Thanks Doug, and thanks to all who helped me.
I think I`ll be hanging around here, nice forum with good people.
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By the way, this project was easy, if ya want a good read get yourself a cold drink and sit and read my misadventures and final triumph at re-illuminating the reticle of a romanian sniper scope.....
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28770&page=1&pp=20
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36211
Now that was satisfying!
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