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Rancid Coolaid
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Wow, I step out for a few minutes and this happens?
My opinion, again - as if another opinion is needed or helpful. 1. .223 ain't ideal for 6 yards. 2. .223 ain't ideal for 800 yards. 3. Get 2 optics - or better define what is most important. 4. Ft. Benning sucks. Hard. It ain't called VD for noth'in! 5. Talk is cheap, eventually you gotta make a decision. 6. A poor plan well executed is better than a great plan not executed - Custer not withstanding. |
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tombirdman
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I am sorry I didn't say this sooner. You really know your stuff!
Tom
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tombirdman
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You are mostly, on the money about me! Although my son and I, on occassion, serve dangerous warrants in flatlands Nebraska. That's why I mentioned short range long range.
There are occassions where you sit off a distance and have to cover an are and for close range I would rather use a shotgun, hand gun or bullpup rifle.
I enjoy play and collecting also!!!
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tombirdman
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If I were in a situation of a true sniper, distance, I wouldn't use 223 and I would use a fixed scope.
I use a fixed HENSOLDT 10 x with bdc in the nobs and on a 308.
Tom
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tombirdman
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What my thoughts are - now - on this topic are :
1. I appreciate everyones oppinions and help !
2. Everyone has there own oppinion and knowledge !
3. It is all good reference material !
4. No one should get angry, just eat-up what knowledge we want and let the others enjoy the rest!
Thanks Again!
Tom
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Rancid Coolaid
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It has been brought to my attention that some (from Ft. Benning or elsewhere) took my remark about Benning to be less than patriotic. It definitely was not meant as such.
Those who have been to Ft. Benning, in general, have fond memories of not liking the place - or that has been my experience. I spent a little time there and was very impressed with the men with whom I served and was most unimpressed with the locals on the poles and worst greasy fries I've ever paid to eat. To those men and women serving our armed forces, both at Benning and abroad: you have my utmost respect and gratitude. I don't know a single 5-jump chump that loves Benning, but we all feel great connectedness in relishing our bad memroies of the place. Carry on. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Tom if you are serving warrants you probably need to go with an ACOG for ruggedness and reliablility. Probably this model. For being in harms way 338Lapuaslap is correct that the ACOG is the right choice. Having said that realistic engagement distances are under 400 yds now that doesnt mean that the bullet wont go further or kill further but a 4x scope at 400 yds is like open sights at 100. This is suitable for entry and very good at the 50 to 200 yd distances which are more likely to be your cover distance and fast enough for entry team type use. Being illuminated and working on the bindon aiming concept it will target rapidly. It will however never be as accurate as a scope like a 3-9x42 Super Sniper or other sniper type scope but it will be quicker. And yes a guy in Afghanistan might use it to shoot 800yds but close air support would be better. I will say if you are covering from 800 yds away with a .223 I sure as hell wouldnt want to be the guy walking up to the door to serve the warrant now if you were at 50 yds that might be a different thing so be realistic. Use heavy bullets at least 69 gr preferably 77 gr.
Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - October/28/2009 at 01:57 |
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BeltFed
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+1 for the ACOG, now that I know what it will be used for. It has served me well. |
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BeltFed
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I don't like Ft Benning, but that's because they are moving the Armor Training Center and the armor collection from the Patton museum, from Ft. Knox to Ft. Benning .
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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.
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Steelbenz
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A friend who is retired army wants my son and I to go to fort benning to see all the cool stuff.
Not being an x ground pounder I may take him up on it. Question remmy 700 PSS .308 for 799.00 good deal or no? What says the crew? |
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tombirdman
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I appreciate the table!
I shoot mostly 62gr green tip and 75gr for 1 in 7 twist barrels. At 800yds I would rather have 308 on up but when your stuck in a situation you use what you have on hand.
like it or not 5.56 is the round, for other than snipers which makes the conversation about 5.56 pertinet-sp.
I,fully realize what the 5.56 is, and 800yds is a stretch of the imagination with crosswind, bullet weight, etc. It would be mostly fire for effect and walk it in, if possible!
So yes, most shots are taken from 25yds to 300, at the longest, BUT!
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I think I love you !
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BeltFed
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Tombirdman, pay no attention to the grumpy old man.
I liked the pictures. I have a thing for AUGs.
Oh, and next to the ACOG, my next choice would be the Leupold Mk 4 1.5-5 with the BDC for you favorite round, but I think I said that.
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tombirdman
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Thank you for your words of encouragement.
I really apprecite it !
Tom
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Kickboxer
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Looking at all those weapons, one would think you are a societal misfit, perhaps a sociopath, an anti-anti-gun person, in other words, an undesireable in today's political climate... good thing you spoke those words of reconciliation...
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tombirdman
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Societal misfit - probably! Damn proud of it!
Politically incorect> YES
Ideal Citizen - YES
Good to my family, neighbors, friends and pets. Yes
Not normal - YES! Damn proud of it!
I am just me and to old to change.
Tom
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Kickboxer
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Good for you, Tom. Don't EVER be normal... ( I think that's when you die...)
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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.
There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living |
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Ghost Rider
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The other day I used a buddy's SPR all the way out to 800m with green tips. He has a 3-12 Horus Hawk with the H425 reticle. The hits (on Ivans)seem almost too easy all the way out with the 5mph full value wind.
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Bronze Star w/"V"...down graded...Article 15,Section 8
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tombirdman
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I appreciate your knowledge and advice!
I think you are 100% correct!
I was thinking of getting one with the Doc optic on top, just to add a little more to cqb, which to be honest, is probably about 80 to 90% of it.
Most shots are between 25 to 100 yards. However I think 223 is, probably good out to 400yds.
I was thinking of a ACOG model TA648Doc - although that may be to much magnification, that's where the Doc would step in. Also thinking of an ACOG 4x, crosshair red illuminated with doc.
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Thanks
Tom
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