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What is the best, or among the best, military,leo, 223, light -  bullet drop compensated riflescope available.
 
I am now looking at ACOG, Elcan, Burris XTR.
 
What am I missing ?
 
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You missed IOR. They have a few optics that perform as good or better than the examples you gave.
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That my friend is all up to what you want to do with it.
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USO, also has some very good combat sights! Plus you also forgot the Aimpoints, no bdc, but very fast on target and forgiving of head and eye position. 

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You are missing the information that will allow us to answer your question.
 
What Rifle  bolt action or AR or ?      What distance and type of engagement, are you police or military or civilian.  What Price Range.
 
What makes for a great entry weapon optic for a tactical team is not the same as what makes for a great sniper scope.  What is right for home defense may not be the best choice for a patrol rilfe in a squad car. 
 
You mention bullet drop compensated so are you looking for a balistic reticle, or for tactical knobs to dial in correction.   Do you understand that variable power second focal plane scopes with balistic reticles only work for hold over at the highest power.   Do you know the trajectory of the particular bullet you wish to use?
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ACOG, ACOG, ACOG.....556.223

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BanditoI am looking at putting it on a FN SCAR
      
I would like something that is good from 6 yards to 800 yards and I want accuracy at all ranges.
 
Almost to much to ask but I am sure there is something out there that would come close to fitting the bill.
 
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ACOG, ACOG, ACOG 762/308 HAS BALISTIC RETICLE CROSS DOT DOT DOT...SUPERB ABSOLUTELY SUPERB...ONLY COMPLAINT IS NOT HAVING ENOUGH BLACK TO HIT...

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Since your engagement ranges are from 6yds to 800yds (a bit optomistic for .223) you will need a variable power. You may want to look at the IOR or the Leupold Mk 4 1.5-5 with options. I believe Zeiss and Schmidt and Bender also make something to fit your requirements, but I couldn't say for certain since they are both out of my price range.
Check out SWFA's site, I'm sure you'll find something to fit your needs.
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I know what ballistics are at 500 yards from .223, not sure what you expect to accomplish at 800.

My advice, given your needs, is 2 optics, both in LaRue QD mounts.  For a scope to cover that, it's gonna do something really well and many other things just OK.

For up close, EoTech (has a BDC reticle) or Aimpoint or Trijicon (reflex or ACOG.)
For distance, IOR, USO, or something with a mil dot reticle (FFP.)

Be advised: no reticle should be assumed to be dead-on at any range.  if you wanna shoot out to 800 yards, you really need to verify reticle and dope at 800 yards.

Lastly, I'd consider a 3-9 SS FFP, easy to get dope for drop, easy to use.  It ain't an 800 yard scope - but, in my opinion, neither is the .223 an 800 yard round.
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IOR 2-12x30? Same price range as the ACOG, probably not as tough but more variable mag and more capable of working at 800 yards for mere mortals.
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For a 6-yard encounter, any magnification is bad; but I will agree that a 2-12 or thereabouts is a good "catch-all."

My advice would be to better define what the system needs to do great, and decide what it only needs to be able to do OK.  Then choose the optic that fits best those needs.

To my limited knowledge, there is no 1-15X scope worth owning, that it is really what you need to go from 6-800 yards.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

ACOG, ACOG, ACOG 762/308 HAS BALISTIC RETICLE CROSS DOT DOT DOT...SUPERB ABSOLUTELY SUPERB...ONLY COMPLAINT IS NOT HAVING ENOUGH BLACK TO HIT...



Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

ACOG, ACOG, ACOG.....556.223




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There are numerous other tactical scopes that would work but you still did not give us a price range  or  how you will use it and if you are civilain LE or Mil which gives us an idea what you will need more in features --- so ???
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

ACOG, ACOG, ACOG 762/308 HAS BALISTIC RETICLE CROSS DOT DOT DOT...SUPERB ABSOLUTELY SUPERB...ONLY COMPLAINT IS NOT HAVING ENOUGH BLACK TO HIT...



Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

ACOG, ACOG, ACOG.....556.223




Please stop shouting, we hear you!
 
Sounds like gun porn doesnt itDevil.    Does Tritium cause a contact high?
 
  


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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Since your engagement ranges are from 6yds to 800yds (a bit optomistic for .223) you will need a variable power. You may want to look at the IOR or the Leupold Mk 4 1.5-5 with options. I believe Zeiss and Schmidt and Bender also make something to fit your requirements, but I couldn't say for certain since they are both out of my price range.
Check out SWFA's site, I'm sure you'll find something to fit your needs.
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did I mention the
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that should do the trick... 6yds to 800yrds
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338 if you click on those links next to price and wish list and hit the delete button you dont get all the alphabet soup.
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If you want to acomplish this with one scope, that better be one flexible design.

With IOR, you should probably be looking at the 1.5-8x26 model:

It is fair bit faster up close than the (otherwise very versatile) 2-12x32 model.  This speed is largely a result of the CQB reticle with that thick horseshoe being pretty easy to pick up.  MP-8 that is in the 2-12x32 works a bit better at longer ranges though.

If you insist on having more magnification than 8x, the new IOR 2-12x36 might fit the bill since it is available with a CQB reticle and has a BDC knob.

S&B Short Dot 1.1-4x24 is an excellent design that does most thing well.  If you can afford it and 4x is enough for you, this is a good choice.

Ultimately, the most versatile scope out there might be March 1-10x24, but I have not seen it live so I do not know.  I will try to get my hand son it in January.

Lastly, one other option that might fit the bill almost perfectly is Elcan's 1x/4x or 1.5x/6x SpecterDR scope.  You can get on calibrated for 5.56 or 7.62

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This is a dumb question why do people steer away from the ACOG's for this Duty Requirement.  Is it the price tag...  I have seen them run over it can be hit with a 7.62 and still function flawlessly...(39 not 54r or at least not AP never saw 54 hit one have seen ak round strike).  You can throw it down and not worry about it...
Also they are superb for fast target aquisition and can still give you the range.  I would say possible the fastest target aquisition for close quarters combat (EO-TECH 2nd but does not meet magnification requirements)
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Most civilians baby their gear, so ACOG loses some luster.  And they are fixed-power, another negative in most civilian markets.

For a combat optic, they are good scopes; for a deer rifle, not so much: at least in the eyes of the average guy.

ILya, I've heard great things about March scopes, I too am anxious to play with one in January.  I have yet to see one on the range, so haven't touched one; but they are heralded as quite good.

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Originally posted by tombirdman tombirdman wrote:

BanditoI am looking at putting it on a FN SCAR
      
I would like something that is good from 6 yards to 800 yards and I want accuracy at all ranges.
 
Almost to much to ask but I am sure there is something out there that would come close to fitting the bill.
 
Tom
 
6yrds  at 6 yrds you point shoot you don't look at the dot you look at the target up to say 25yrds you do the same thing.
 
I do understand the need for more magnification but if you have the money put the ACOG in your collection... You will not be disappointed. You might even get good enough to go the the 600yrd range and have paper plate size groups...
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I would steer someone away from an ACOG because it's magnification is too strong in real close conditions. And it's magnification is a bit weak for real long conditions. At 50-300 yards I'm not sure I would want anything else. It's a great optic. His range is too broad for one optic. I would parrot the quality scope with a reflex sight mounted off the scope body. That or detachable scope/reflex combo, which would be more streamlined but you have extra bits to keep track of.
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