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I am very new to this game.  I'm looking at Nikon Buckmaster and Monarch and Burris FF and Select.  Just what does the SS do that the others don't?  What features does the SS have that the others don't.

Can the Nikons and the Burris do all that the SS can do.  I'm refering to zeroing in the scope and all the other features. 

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SS's are built like a tank, tracks well.  $300 to $400 depending on which model you want is a steal.  They can run with and outperform other scopes that cost three times as much.  A lot of shooters out there including me are very very pleased with their SS scopes.  Loads of adjustment, as far as zero stops none on the SS.  Although Mike McDonald posted somewhere on here about being able to install a zero stop with some easy to find parts from a hardware store.

In fact if he's out there somewhere I'd like him to post the instructions again, Please!!!

 

If I had to put a list together of other scopes it would be

 

4.  SS scopes........ $ 300.00

3.  Nightforce......... $ 1300.00

2.  USO................. $ 2000.00

1.  S&B.................. $ 2600.00

 

Sure there are a few between the SS scopes and Nightforce like Leupolds but if I were to fork over $1000.00 for a Leupold I would save up another $300.00 and get the Nightforce.  Too me Super Snipers and Leupolds are so close in performance that I can't justify the extra $700.00  I really wouldn't consider the Nightforce over the SS's either for a few other reasons.  I'd probably step all the way up to a USO  if funds allowed. 

 

The other scopes you mentioned are variable where the Super Snipers are fixed which I prefer anyway.  Do you like Coke or Pepsi?  Hope this helps.

 

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Well said, Mithran.

 

I just got a Nikon Monarch 6.5-20 w/ a lit Mil Dot. Nice scope.

As soon as I zeroed it, I took it off and put my 10x SS back on my .308.

 

 

The SS is everything Mithran said it is.

I would also add that the SS has a lifetime, no hassle warranty too.

(If you should need it.)

 

How many other scopes out there sell USED for 100% of their purchase price??

The SS does.

 

How many other scopes have been reviewed by as many big name optics guru's and got glowing reviews by all?

Everybody who's anybody in the Tactical game knows what the SS is all about.

 

I like the simplicity and practicality of the Super Sniper most of all. 

It's ridiculously dependable, practical, repeatable, etc.

All day, every day....For $300 bucks.

 

As I have said many times before, 

"If you don't have a Super Sniper, you need a Super Sniper!!"  

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Oh yeah....

I have never seen any pics of Nikon's or Burris scopes deployed to Iraq/Astan.

I have, on the other hand, seen a couple million pics of SS's on an array of weapon systems serving in harms way.... 

 

http://supersniper.com/

 

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Mithran & cheaptrick:  thanks for the answers. 

Mithran, what is a zero stop - excuse my ignorance.

OK, so the SuperSniper is:

Built like a tank
Economical
Feature rich

Other than repeatability, reliability, and good optics are there specific features that a SS or tactical scope has that other "hunting" scopes do not?

Are there feature that "hunting" scopes have that tactical do not?

And if everything said about the SS is true it would seem that this forum would nearly exclusively be devoted to singing its praises.  IOW, why would anyone consider anything else?

Thanks in advance.

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And if everything said about the SS is true it would seem that this forum would nearly exclusively be devoted to singing its praises

 

I'd like to comment on that if I might be allowed.

 

You'll find other forums where the theme is a sole entity, whether it be a product or a person, and you'll not get the best advice on such a forum.  Comments contraray to the forum theme will get you booted or labeled as an idiot, rapidly.  Common sense and reasonable discussion are abandoned in favor of blind loyalty.

 

Here at OT you'll get opposing views from folks regarding products, and decent product comparisons across a broad spectrum of price and features.  From there you can form, AND voice your own opinions.

 

As to your "What does it have" question, well as stated it's rugged, has glass that compares to my MkIVM3, is cost competitive, has good resale value, all as stated by the other guys who answered your query.

Does it make a good hunting scope?  Depends on what you're hunting.  If its long shots on prairie dogs then yeah, it's applicable.  If you live in brush country and hunt pigs or whitetail, then no, it's a poor choice due to magnification.

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Thanks, Mike.

I'm all in favor of the open discussion of opinions!  I'm a huge advocate of such discussion and what can be learned from them. 

Are there any features specific to the SS or tactical scopes in general that are not found in hunting scopes?  Thanks again for the input.
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Features specific to "tactical" scopes that come to mind;

 

1. The designed ability to be repeatably adjusted thousands of times.

   This has to do with the way the external adjustments are configured to

        a.  Make it easy for the operator

        b.  provide adequete visual reference for making the adjusments

        c.  provide tactile feedback to inform the operator that an adjustment has indeed been acomplished

2.  The designed internal configuration to allow multi thousand adjsutments to be made without damage/distortion to the components being acted upon.

 

A "hunting scope" may have coin slot type adjustments or very low profile knobs which may not provide

good visual reference or adequete accessability to make such adjustments while in the field in an as needed basis.

The internals of a "hunting scope" can be made with the reasonable knowledge that the average user will zero the scope and leave it at such zero setting for mjuch of the life of the product.

 

Parallax adjustment

The "tactical" scope will have an easily accessed adjustment that can be employed in the field under adverse conditions with a minimum of physical activity.

 

A "hunting scope" may or may not have such adjustment, or it may be front mounted which required some obvious movement to adjust.  This may be of little consequence or it might cost you a trophy animal depending on your particular circumstance.

 

( Editiorial comment on parallax )

In this day of Long Range Hunting, which I personally do not advocate, but don't campaign against either, the ability to make 1st round kill shots is greatly enhanced by the ability to properly aim your rifle at its intended target.  To do this requires;

Position

breath control

rest or support

visual reference

 

Without composing a novel on the process of long range shooting, I'lll address visual reference to parallax by saying that if you have an optic that allows the sight picture to move many inches by simply moving your head, you most likely may not make a sucessful shot, and wound an animal that you may not recover.  This long range stuff is alot more complex than point and click.  Time is not always on your side, and the "tactical" scope with easily adjustable sight picture is going to pay dividends.

In a 50 yard brush shot it's trivial in value.

 

Back to our scheduled program; Scope differences

 

Durability of construction

The "tactical" unit tends to be more robust in the internal assembly of it's components.

There are "hunting" scopes that are pretty tough but in general terms it we drop a good quality hunting scope and a good quality tactical scope from the same 50 foot tower the tactical scope and its associated mounting hardware will have a greater percentage of survivability than the hunting scope.

Again this is a general statement.  We can pick out anecdotal evidence all day long that would contradict this.  In most instances the hunting model won't survive abuse dealt to a tactical scope.

 

Optical Quality

This really is subjective on the end user level.  Most upper end hunting scopes will have glass equal to or better than tactical scopes.  This is where being able to walk into SWFA and ask JW or Chris for comparative examples really helps.  They can also provide some pretty good advice in a phone conversation.

 

Reticle Choice

About even in this time period.  Everyone wants to have their "better than the other guy " reticle so in either generic scope designation you could have about any reticle pattern you'd like to experience.



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AWESOME post, Mike!

 

Talk about hitting the nail on the head!

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A lot depends on what you want a scope to do. Hunting scopes are typically zeroed at 100 or 200 yards and the adjustment of the scope is seldom if ever changed. Hunting scopes are used to obtain game animals for food or trophy.  Tactical scopes are designed primarily to engage enemy combatants at distances that vary from close range to extreme distances well over 1000 yards. Many target shooters also find added value in using a "tactical scope" because the adjustment knobs can easily be turned to adjust and correct for trajectory at different distance.  The Super Sniper has 1/4 moa clicks which means that each click moves the scope 1/4 in at 100 yds or 1/2 in at 200 yds or 3/4 in per click at 300 yds.  So If I sight in my .308 at 200 yds I know that 13 1/4 moa adjustment up will correspond the the bullseye on the 600 yd target. Wind is also a factor that you must consider and adjust for at distance.

Can you do that with some hunting scopes- yes but not as easily as the knobs are considerably smaller.  

 

The zero stop can be made by acquiring rubber "O"rings the right size and placing them below the adjustment knob to prevent it from going below it's 100 or 200 yd Zero. Note this works as long as you do not need to adjust below zero - point in case is a 600 meter zero  http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm

 

The down side of having large tactical knobs for hunting and stalking is that the knobs are large and can catch on brush. The up side is that once you know that a certain distance is so many clicks up you are always on target at that distance so long as ammo and wind stay the same.  What you need deppends on how you will be using it - so tell us what cartridge and how you intend to use it and we will make an educated recomendation.

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