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I'm going to get a .460 S&W RIFLE barrel for my T/C Encore.  What Scope would you guys buy.  I'll be deer hunting in wooded areas (100 yards and in).  Which scope in the $400.00 range would ya'll pick?  I have heard good stuff about the Bushnell 4200s....are they better than a Leupold VX III???
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Zeiss conquest in 3x9x40 or 2.5x8x32, both in your price range, don't look back.

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i would say yes to that, zeiss conquest is as well although its $400 exactly the 4200 in its price range is a very good scope
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Guys, he's hunting in the woods at less than 100 yards. Why pay for so much more magnification (and size) than you'll ever be able to use under those conditions?  Use that money toward better glass and a heavy reticle. 3x magnification tops. 
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Ronk is right here!!! He`s shooting a 460 S&W, not a long range mag!!!......Keep your magnification down and keep your field of view WIDE!! At most for any variable, a 1.5x4 would be excellent. In the fixed power area, a 4x or less would also fill the bill.....The 2x7`s & above, though good scopes, are too much magnification at 100 yards or less for hunting.............Unfortunately, the Elite 4200 is not available in the variable or fixed powers that would best suite this rifle and caliber! Too bad! A great selection of scopes is not one of the 4200`s best attributes!!!!......Keep your magnification down!!!
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fixed 4 or a 1.5x5 something like that i didnt catch the close proximity the first read sorry

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 Well, a 2-7 or 3-9x will certainly work if he remembers to keep it turned down,  but he's still paying for some attributes which would be useless to him, and carrying around more weight/ bulk to boot. There aren't as many good options in that class as there should be, as Squeeze noted, but there are a few.  Don't rule out close- combat style optics and red-dot sights either.
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Tucker............BTW, the 4200 is a little better optically than the VX3.......Did a little homework and came up with following choices which will best suit your needs!!!! These 4 scopes are at $400 and under. If I were you, I`d consider these!!................Burris 1.5-5x32 Sig. Safari @ $349.....................Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX3 @$399. Don`t be fooled by its smaller objective at only 20mm. You will still have an excellent FOV.....................Leupold FX2 4x fixed by 33mm obj. @ $269.......................Weaver Grand Slam 1.5-5x32 @ $329, The Grand Slam is an excellent scope for the bucks, great glass & is recoil proof. Many shooters put these on 454 Casull handguns............................For your rifle, my 1st choice from these is the Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX3.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Don't rule out close- combat style optics and red-dot sights either.
 
Word!!
 
I'm frankly bewildered more people don't use red dots or holo sights for deer hunting in dense timber and or brush.
 
I hunted one deer season with a Comp M2 Aimpoint 4 MOA dot.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Don't rule out close- combat style optics and red-dot sights either.
 
Word!!
 
I'm frankly bewildered more people don't use red dots or holo sights for deer hunting in dense timber and or brush.
 
I hunted one deer season with a Comp M2 Aimpoint 4 MOA dot.


Great scope, have one on my AR that I use for coyots.


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CT...........................If his budget was say up to $575, the I would have reco`d the Trijicon 1.5-4x24. That would be even a better choice than the four I previously mentioned and gives the same features as you reco`d.................BTW, the Trijicon`s arrow, due to the Tritium, will continue to illuminate in the dark for any night time hunting!!
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Unless you are trying to use the gun under pistol class case rules I'd use a 45-70 and wait until some more load development and maybe even an improvement in the popularity of the brass.  I've been on the bleading edge once too many times... Ouch
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 Anybody remember Weaver's Qwik-Point? Odd-looking thing that used ambient light to illuminate a 6 (?) minute red dot with no magnification. My family killed a lot of deer with them mounted on 12 gauge Remington slug guns.
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

CT...........................If his budget was say up to $575, the I would have reco`d the Trijicon 1.5-4x24. That would be even a better choice than the four I previously mentioned and gives the same features as you reco`d.................BTW, the Trijicon`s arrow, due to the Tritium, will continue to illuminate in the dark for any night time hunting!!
 
You guys rock on!! Wink You guys advise is great!  
 
I just see more and more the practicality of red dot scopes in certain situations, that's all.
 
My man RONK's in the zone and I'm feeling it ..Ya'll keep on...Thunbs%20Up  


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I looked at Bushnell's web site and they have a 4200 in 1.5-6 x 36....This would be ideal...but I have a Burris 3-9 x 36 (or 32 I can't remember) Shortmag and I don't think it does very well in low light.   Someone set me straight...How much difference is there in a 40mm  vs.   20mm  during the last few minutes of legal shooting time??  I'll put a 50mm on it if REALLY helps.   I hope this doesn't bore ya'll, but I'm a more of a hunter than a shooter.
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Bushnell may show that scope on their website! The question is; will you be able to get one!!!
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I have one of these on my Encore 12 ga Pro Hunter Slug barrel and I think for brush hunting out to 100 + you cant beat it. Since the S&W 460  and the 45-70 both come in the 20 in barrel I would agree that the 45-70 is preferable. I will add a note of caution about the Encore 20 in barrels if you have the folding stock on the Encore with the stock closed the 20 inch barrel does not meet the BATF required 26 inches over all and can get you in serious legal trouble, I found one in that configuration at the last gun show and the guy was an TC dealer - guy didnt know he was so close to going to jail untill I explained it to him, then he thought he fixed the problem by unfolding the stock- wrong.  Must be 26 in over all in its shortest configuration.

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Best price I've found on Encore barrels is midsouthshooterssupply
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Well I suppose to be an odd man out here I find 2.5 or 3 power to be more than fine for close shots.....but 8 or 9 is really nice for target and load work at a 100yds. Guess I prefer a variable cause the better ones don't change POI or eye relief with power change and offer more than one power for more than one use. Both conquests fell right in budget and I also like the best optics available for $ to spend. I'll stick to my recommendation.

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