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I want to get an idea of the quality of the glass in the Vortex Viper.  Could you compare it to a Leupold or Nikon? or worse?
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To my eyes, the Viper is comparable to a Bushy 4200... and better than a Nikon Monarch. 
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Better than Leupold VX2 not quite as good as Leupold VX3 would be my opinion.  It is certainly a contender but I still think a Bushy 4200 is better glass and a Conquest is better than any of these.
But Im a blind guy so I just lick em and judge by the texture and taste of the lense coatings. Devil
Its a visual thing you need to look at them and compare for yourself not everyone uses the same prescription for their glasses, and some eyes are more finely tuned to certain color tones, where others are flat out color blind, which is why you can ask ten people this same question and get ten different answers.  With Vortex buy one and try it, look at it, dont mount it or molest it just look at it, and if you dont like what you see pay the postage and send it back and get something else.  
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Are you in the market for another scope?
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It seems to be near identical to the monarchs even the white haze effect at high powers in terms purely on image. Don't know much regarding fov, etc... The viper psts i currently have seems to be able to focus better though on far off objects like a tree or mountain side 5km away compared to the monarchs though they are still not as sharp or focused as a friend's sf leupold 30 mm vxIII. The vxIII is reported to have not as bright an image as the viper and it seems that way though i don't know if it's because i've read the info and i'm biased but the leupold though has no haze at high powers. The newer vx3s though are reported to be as bright or brighter. I also currently have a friends elite 4200 with the front AO, the image at the higher powers is definitely sharper than the viper and there is no haze effect  probably due to the AO design. The viper and monarch though seem to have a longer eye relief than the leupold and bushy and the image both of the viper and monarch have the black circle or what they call the tunnel effect, not sure of the exact term they use and i've read here and in other forums that some individuals do not like such an effect. At the low power settings though like 10x and below, the image for me is visually as good or near identical on all the scopes i've mentioned in terms of brightness and clarity, though there seems to be a slight difference in hue or vividness between the scopes i don't have the right technical know how to describe it. Both the viper and monarch though are assembled in the exact same factory and to me seems to share similar features because of this, pure speculation on my part though so don't take my word for it, Big Grin.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Are you in the market for another scope?

I'm an optics nerd i'm always looking to try a different scope.
And I'm very familiar with the "tunnel" effect, actually I sent a $3600 Schmidt and Bender back because the tunnel was so bad and the eye box made it very difficult for me to get behind.
I actually have a few blind spots in my eyes from getting accidentally flashed with a GCP-2a laser designator when I was back in the service. This makes it very hard when using optics, the optics have to be almost perfect for me to be able to actually enjoy using them.
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Well it's official! There is nary a scope made that will make you happy! Might as we stick to Bafska or Counter-Sniper. They are used to the returns...
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Thanks for your service Gappa & please let us know when you find that  almost PERFECT scope Wink
What will you be using the scope for?
 
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Hell of an eyebox on that scope CT.
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Hell of an eyebox on that scope CT.

Great FOV and image quality is top shelf, Craig.  
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You can poke fun at Gappa for his not liking the S&B, but I looked through one on a new Marine Corps sniper rifle a few weeks ago and didn't like it. I adjusted the focus to my eye at 300 yards, adjusted the parallax, and turned the magnification up and down. My 6x42SS is far brighter and sharper than that particular S&B was at any magnification. That particlar rifle was fresh from Quantico, so hadn't been out and abused. I would not have been happy with it.
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Excess, first off, thank you for your Service and Semper Fi. I am a very strong supporter of SS scopes, but that it is simply not true. Saying a scope is "brighter" is a misnomer any way. But maybe your eyes are different then every one else's. 
 I am not saying the S&B is perfect. I am not saying any scope is. It is just that Gappa has gone through just about 12,000 dollars in scopes in the last three months. Do some research on his posts here. It is rather entertaining...
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Originally posted by Gappa Gappa wrote:


And I'm very familiar with the "tunnel" effect, actually I sent a $3600 Schmidt and Bender back because the tunnel was so bad and the eye box made it very difficult for me to get behind.


I thought you'd already declared that scope "the most beautiful piece of glass you've ever laid eyes on..." over at the Hide.  Why the sudden about face?

I think you're seeking something you'll never find, but what the hell, you might as well give the March X Tactical a try since you've obviously got no shortage of funds to devote to finding the "perfect" scope.


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If the scopes you have recently had don't make you happy I would just stop searching.
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Originally posted by Gappa Gappa wrote:


And I'm very familiar with the "tunnel" effect, actually I sent a $3600 Schmidt and Bender back because the tunnel was so bad and the eye box made it very difficult for me to get behind.



So are you going to move up to a Counter Sniper scope now?
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Try a Hensoldt, best eye box in the industry.

I've used S&B, nice, but never my favorite.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Hell of an eyebox on that scope CT.

Great FOV and image quality is top shelf, Craig.  


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Hell of an eyebox on that scope CT.

Great FOV and image quality is top shelf, Craig.  


It almost makes you think you're not even looking through an optic, eh Mark?
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Hell of an eyebox on that scope CT.

Great FOV and image quality is top shelf, Craig.  


Light transmission is phenomenal.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Try a Hensoldt, best eye box in the industry.

I've used S&B, nice, but never my favorite.
http://opticstalk.com/swfa-new-in-box-discontinued-sale_topic33507.html
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http://swfa.com/Zeiss-6-24x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-30mm-Sight-P41078.aspx

If you have an issue with that scope, there is no scope yet made that will do what you want.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

http://swfa.com/Zeiss-6-24x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-30mm-Sight-P41078.aspx

If you have an issue with that scope, there is no scope yet made that will do what you want.


I made your link "hot" RC. 

http://swfa.com/Zeiss-6-24x56-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-30mm-Sight-P41078.aspx
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I tried.
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Mondays suck.
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