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I currently have a .325 WSM, and I am thinking about getting something larger for down the road.  I was considering a .375 H&H as a next step, but looking at the numbers I am not sure it really offers anything over the .325. 
 
If you were looking at caliber for potential African game (many years away on the affordability scale), but would still be O.K. in Alaska, what would you be looking at?
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The 458 Lott comes to mind.  it will take down trees!Wink
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 Can't see a .375 H&H not doing what you want.  To me it seems to be a decent step up from the .323 bullet and in power from the .325WSM. 
 But if I was thinking along your lines I'd probably consider one of the .416 caliber rounds(after I tried one to see if I could handle it Bucky).  A flat shooting 400gr bullet should be GOOD. 
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The 458 LOTT and the 700 nitro are true elephant guns.  They are heavy things to pack around.  I have been wanting a 325 WSM for some time because it has the same bullet deminsion as the 8mm which I have always liked.  I do have a 375 H&H and I love it.  Look at bullet weights and then tell me the numbers are the same for the 325 and 375.  You're looking on average of 100 grains more bullet weight with the 375!  That will knock down most anything...even elephants.  In my opinion, you just can't go wrong with the 375, and I don't think anybody goes to Africa without at least one of them in their arsenal.
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.375 H&H is what I have. It is the legal minimum for dangerous game in many African countries.
It also has more energy and momentum than the .325 WSM. The 300 grain bullets are well known to penetrate deeply.
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Thanks for the suggestions so far.  I guess I would need to shoot the 416 and 458 size stuff to see if my shoulder would stay in one piece Whacko

 

I ran this simulation over on the Winchester site.  Granted, the bullets are 200 vs 300 grain, but past 50 yards, it looks like the total energy downrange is higher for the 325 than the 375.

Or am I missing something obvious here (wouldn't be the first time)?

Simulated Shooting Conditions

Sight-in Range:  100 yds   Max Range:  500 yds
Cross Wind:  0 mph   Temp:  74 F
Altitude:  1000 msl   Sight Height:  1.5 in
 
325 Winchester Short Magnum 200 gr. Supreme Elite™ XP3®
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.5 - Muzzle Velocity: 2950
DISTANCE TIME ELAPSED LINE-OF-SIGHT DROP WIND DRIFT VELOCITY ENERGY
0 0 -1.5 0 2950 3860.91
50 0.05 -0.2 0 2854 3614.8
100 0.11 0 0 2761 3381.76
150 0.16 -0.9 0 2669 3161.02
200 0.22 -3 0 2579 2951.9
250 0.28 -6.5 0 2491 2753.81
300 0.34 -11.4 0 2405 2566.26
350 0.4 -17.7 0 2320 2388.78
400 0.47 -25.7 0 2237 2220.93
450 0.54 -35.4 0 2156 2062.36
500 0.61 -46.9 0 2076 1912.81
 
375 H&H 300 gr. Supreme® Nosler Solid
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.198 - Muzzle Velocity: 2605
DISTANCE TIME ELAPSED LINE-OF-SIGHT DROP WIND DRIFT VELOCITY ENERGY
0 0 -1.5 0 2605 4515.99
50 0.06 0 0 2385 3784.45
100 0.13 0 0 2175 3148.38
150 0.2 -1.8 0 1976 2599.24
200 0.28 -5.9 0 1789 2130.73
250 0.37 -12.7 0 1616 1737.65
300 0.46 -22.9 0 1458 1415.32
350 0.57 -37.1 0 1320 1159.23
400 0.69 -56.4 0 1204 964.71
450 0.82
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i have a H&H also, love it! if you dont feel .375 is big enough, i really think either a .416 ruger or a .458 win should fit the bill. i wouldnt be a bit scared of taking my H&H to africa though.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

The 458 Lott comes to mind.  it will take down trees!Wink
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Just setup and get and Anzio 20MM.  It'll do the trickBig Grin
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The tree was defective...
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I also like the .375 H&H it has a great history, great bullet & load selection and plenty of energy for any of the dangerous game.  While it might be alittle light for elephant, I think its more versatile than the over .40 crowd.  It also is available from numerous manufacturers at almost all price ranges.

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Just setup and get and Anzio 20MM.  It'll do the trickBig Grin
 
I was thinking about a 50 BMG.  I figured I could be at a nice safe distance that way. Big Grin
 
 
Kickboxer, I love the former tree photo! 
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I finally told my wife what happened... she was not impressed, just said "I KNEW you did it..."
 
.458 Lott is "most chosen" caliber by PH's...  Lot's (get it, lot's  Lott...)  of ammo available in Africa. 
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The obvious thing you're missing is the difference in BC of those two bullets.
You're comparing a pointed, plastic-tipped boat tail to a round nose.
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Originally posted by Hatari Hatari wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Just setup and get and Anzio 20MM.  It'll do the trickBig Grin
 
I was thinking about a 50 BMG.  I figured I could be at a nice safe distance that way. Big Grin
 
 
Kickboxer, I love the former tree photo! 

have fun carting that heavy sob around the mountains of alaska
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How does the 458 lott compare to the 460 weatherby?
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Originally posted by Shenko Shenko wrote:

The obvious thing you're missing is the difference in BC of those two bullets.
You're comparing a pointed, plastic-tipped boat tail to a round nose.
 
Yeah there is that, but the options were limited.
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the 260gr nosler accubond has .473bc which isnt to shabby. for a .375 diam bullet.
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The Lott cannot match the 460 Weatherby for raw power, Max ME I've shot with the Lott is about 6200ft/lb (it was less than comfortable, but after 5 rounds, I could still use my arm, after 10 I had a bruise, but not too bad).  The Weatherby will easily exceed that--7000-8000ft/lbs.  However, the Lott has a BIG advantage in accuracy.  At 100 yards, 5 rounds, 1/2 inch group is easily doable.  Sure, most people don't shoot "long range" with big bore rifles, but I've consistently shot just over 1MOA at 300 yards and it's still carrying a heavy wallop. The 460 won't give you nearly that kind of accuracy, but with that much power, you may not need accuracy. 
With the Lott, I made the mistake, ONCE, of not properly addressing the rifle... had about a 1/4 inch gap between the butt and my shoulder( had been shooting for a while, got cocky and careless)... shooting Hornady 500gr DG load.  Believe me, that is a mistake I learned to NEVER make again...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

  Believe me, that is a mistake I learned to NEVER make again...
 
Ouch.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 Can't see a .375 H&H not doing what you want.  To me it seems to be a decent step up from the .323 bullet and in power from the .325WSM. 
 But if I was thinking along your lines I'd probably consider one of the .416 caliber rounds(after I tried one to see if I could handle it Bucky).  A flat shooting 400gr bullet should be GOOD. 
Good advice as usuall 300....i'd give the 416 Ruger a try were I in the market for a heavy hitter.
 
 
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