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I am looking for a good quality scope in the 4.5-14x44(50) range with a "ballistic reticle" of some kind to put on a 300 wsm. Any suggestions?
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Zeiss Conquest sounds like what you are looking for with either the Z600 or Z800 reticle.  If you want you can get them with tactical - target type knobs and get custom engraved knobs from Kenton Ind. marked in yards so you can dial in correction.  You do know that balistic reticles only work at one specific power and if you change the magnification the center X is the only mark that holds true on a second focal plane scope. That means when it gets near dark and you dial down power to brighten the image you need to only use the center X or you need to dial in correction because the balistic reticle will be off. Does that make sense to you.   I tend to go with target knobs and a mil dot reticle and use the dots for hold over marks.
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Agreed.

I ran the 4.5-14x44 on a 300WM for several years, great combo. 
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The 4.5-14x44 zeiss does sound like what I want , but if long range requires me to only turn the power up to say 9 or 10 so that the ballistic reticle matches....then what's the point of having 14 power?  Should I stay with a 3-9 or a 3.5-10 instead so that the ballistics would be closer...lower$ and shorter ,lighter etc......

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Any second focal plane reticle will require a certain power setting to be accurate for ranging. 

The value of the 14X is that you have 14X.  If it ranges at 10X, fine, no problem, you can still go to 14 to take the shot - or even drop down to 6X.

The 4.5-14X Conquest is a good choice in that power range.

If you wish to be able to range at any power, you need to look to first focal plane scopes, IOR makes a few good ones, the SS 3-9X would be a pretty good fit (it is mil dot rather than "ballistic reticle" but very usable for that purpose.)  A 3-9 on a 300wsm would be fine unless you plan to do long range bench work.  For that, it ain't ideal - but is more than usable. 

Another option is to take the 4.5-14X to the range and determine what linear distance sits under the reticle at a certain range at 14X.  I've done this with my Hensoldt (3-12, ranges at 6X.)  I now range with ease at 12X, but it takes some time on the range with a very accurate ruler  and a laser rangefinder - verify the range and the linear distance ruler.  Then reverify.  If you screw this up, you'll be off. Forever!
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regardless of ffp or sfp ranging is usually done on the highest power to get the most accurate calculation. ranging by milling usually involves errors from 3-5% of the distance milled and gets worse the lower the power, all things being equal.
Take an old leupold trick, their BAS system which has been around for at least 20 years and using a target with a known size, the one you hunt all the time is a good start, and using the height determine the power setting to put the "brisket" between two stadia lines, then with a marker indicate on the power ring the distance when the brisket is bracketed.
So think about the leo 4.5x14 vx with a varmit or B@C reticle.
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Sightron SII bigsky has a 4.5-14x44 mildot that has good glass. pretty light weight. Just a thought. some prefer a mildot vs BDC for ranging anyway. My SIII 6-24x50 has a thicker reticle than my elite 4200 6-24x50. If the same is true for the bigsky, that might be good for twighlight hours. Conquest should have better glass though.
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I have a 4.5-14 with z800 reticle. You can use the zeiss rangefinder software to determine the optimum power with your ballistic data. This is the SOP... it may turn out to be e.g. 10.5X, at which mag each hash mark will give an accurate POI for 2,3,4,5,6,7,800 yds. If you want to determine where the bars will be at 14x, then leave the power setting at 14 (instead of selecting "optimize power", and set bar 8 to 800 yds. Then it will tell you where the actual POIs are for the bars with mag at 14. It may be that bar 8 will be 750 yds and bar 7 will be 625, etc. This way you can just memorize the 3 or 4 furthest bars for far shots that you know you will want to be cranked at 14x for. This extends the versatility of the reticle significantly imo.
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