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I've made my decision.  The Zeiss Victory 10x56FL's it is.  I think they will be perfect for what I want them for.  I hate the price tag but I'm 28 and will have them for a long time.  If anyone knows where I can find them for less than about 2200 please feel free to save me a bit of coin.  Thanks to you Ted for the assistance.  Was definately leaning towards the Zeiss, but you helped me over the fence.
 
 
 
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Just remember SWFA has a 110% price match guarantee.  http://www.swfa.com/about.aspx
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Originally posted by haminator haminator wrote:

I think they will be perfect for what I want them for. 
 
 
Which is very long distance observation from stationary positions, such as blinds? 
They absolutely are nice binos, but may be too big and heavy and powerful for handheld mobile use. I've used Leica 10x50s heavily and often for a few years myself, and when i switched to 8x32s and 7x42 i lost nothing but size and weight. All the brightness, sharpness, and detail that i could see was still there.
Check yourself to make sure that you don't have a case of magnumitis. On the long run it may save you money and effort.


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Yea Maybe.  Right now I have some Minox hgs 10x52 but they are very light weight for class.  I like them but would like to upgrade them.  I was worried that in a 10x42-43 I would lose too much light. 
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Ive also got some 9x28 dcf lv's and a pair of the hg 10x52s and some ski el 8.5x42s and there is a noticable light gathering ability between the swarovski and the minox, the 52 is brighter.  The el is supposed to be extremely bright for a 42 but the minox is brighter.  I know the magnification makes a difference too.  I wish I could play with a pair of the victorys befor buying...
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like ive said i am very happy with optical quality of the hg's but I would like the larger fov that is offered in the ultra premium and also I want to put the zeiss 10x56 and the 10x42 ultravid hd against one another at dusk.
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Originally posted by haminator haminator wrote:

I want to put the zeiss 10x56 and the 10x42 ultravid hd against one another at dusk.
 
No reason to. The Zeiss will win by about 10 minutes. As the light fades, it will get too dark for the 10x42 mm binoculars, and the 56mm binos will work for another 10-12 minutes before it gets too dark for them as well. I tried this years ago with the older Zeiss 10x56 Victory and 10x40 Classic. What i have noticed in the last 10-20 minutes of fading light is that handshake from 10x binos becomes more bothersome for me, and that i could see details better with a lower power glass, like a 8x or 7x. A 10x40/42 and a 8x32, all else being equal, also have similar exit pupils. I noticed that i actually see better with the 8x32 during the dim minutes after sunset than with the 10x42. Each person is different, though. I personally think that binoculars brightness is overated and misunderstood a bit, once you get into the premium binoculars. At most, the difference in visibility would be 10 minutes. Even with a binocular such as Swarovski SLC 8x30, which is not particularly bright and big compared to other premium models, i can see well 25 minutes before sunrise and 25 minutes after sunset - this in a state where legal shooting is 30 mins. before and after. The Swarovski EL 8x32, compared to the SLC 8x30, extends vsibility by 3-4 minutes before and after - or more depending on weather and moon. I tried the Ultravid 10x42 as well. It worked just about like the SLC 8x30 in terms of brightness, but i did not like it because i lost details due to handshake during the dim light.  After climbing hard for 1 hour, a steep hill, the 10x42 was unuseable because of my heartbeats and breathing caused my hands to shake.    
There is an exception here: the premium 7x42s, and specifically the Zeiss 7x42. These will work in the dark, under stralight, and under moonlight.
In terms of brightness, the Zeiss 10x56 will work just about like it's 8x42 sibling. If you own a Swarovski 8.5x42, you already have all the glass that a human needs. I doubt that you will find more game or bigger trophies by switching from a premium 8.5x42 to a premium 10x56.


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Yeah, my els are alot more steady than even the lightweight minox's.  Maybe I ought to keep the hg's and call it good.  I dont know.  I love them, I just wish the fov was better.  I use the swarro's alot more than I would use the 10x anyway I guess
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The Zeiss will be great glass and great optics, but will be huge.
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If that is what you need, enjoy.


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Hi dude, I have 28 too and thought the same way and have just got a Zeiss 8x42 FL, I haven't use them yet but I have researched a lot and the people that really knows about optics says that the 7x42FL are the best for Low Light, (7x42, 8x42, 10x42) so if you are looking for some Binos to see in the dark maybe you should consider the Victory Zeiss 7x56mm FL, they will be very steady and have the best performance in low light situations.

IMO I'd get the swaros EL in 10x42, and get the Zeiss FL in 7x56 for low light.

I know you can get them for about $2,000, send me an email
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Here is haminator's original thread on this topic:
 
 
Based on his stated priorities of better low light performance and larger FOV than the Minox HG he already has, along with his stated budget and insistence on 10X, I think the Zeiss 10X56 FL fits the bill.  I assumed by his preference for low light use and the fact he doesn't mind the extra weight and bulk of large objectives that he was either doing mostly stationary observing such as from a blind, or he simply didn't mind toting the extra weight.
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This is true about the 7x42 Zeiss.  I only need just some light from anywhere to see.
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I don't know if it was just me, but I wasn't overly impressed with my friends 10x42 EL's.  When you get to this high end glass there is alot of personal preference that come into play.  You must settle on a general size and weight.  I went with 7x42 and am not looking back on that decision.  One day, I might add a 10x50 and a 8x32.  But I am in no hurry.
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Ok this is turning into quite the diverse thread, I love it.  Ok so heres a question for you guys.  If you could have any 3 pairs of binos for different applications, price no object.  YOU MUST HAVE THREE no more or less what would they be???

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Also as far as the extra size and weight goes, I'm 6'3 245 Ive been powerlifting for about 7yrs now so an extra 12ozs and an inch arent a huge deal.  I can hold my 10x52 hgs nice and still.  That being said its interesting hearing peoples opinions on the best for each class, because I agree there is no one company that makes the best 10x, 8x, 7, or 12x.
So what would you binocular arsenal consist of.
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I know one would be my 7x42 Zeiss Victory FL.  This full size bino is what you build around in my opinion.  It's low light performance speaks for itself, and just look at the quality and the Exit Pupil, FOV, and stability associated with them and that 6mm exit pupil.  I think the FOV is like 450.  You are just amazed when you look thru them how much you can see and that trumps power to me.  I would also like a nice small set like the 8x32 or maybe the 6x32. And then I would want a 10x50.  I see no need for a 56mm objective.  Then only time I want 10 power would be elk hunting and that is in the mountains sometimes hiking 5-10 miles so, I don't care how much you power lift there is no need to lug that kind of weight around in my opinion.  Just my thoughts.  Everything in optics is a trade off.  Remember this!
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Originally posted by haminator haminator wrote:

Ok this is turning into quite the diverse thread, I love it.  Ok so heres a question for you guys.  If you could have any 3 pairs of binos for different applications, price no object.  YOU MUST HAVE THREE no more or less what would they be???

 
That's easy:
8x32;
7x42; 
10x42.
 
Deciding on a single one is difficult. The 10x42 would be the first to go. 
 
 
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

Originally posted by haminator haminator wrote:

Ok this is turning into quite the diverse thread, I love it.  Ok so heres a question for you guys.  If you could have any 3 pairs of binos for different applications, price no object.  YOU MUST HAVE THREE no more or less what would they be???

 
That's easy:
8x32;
7x42; 
10x42.
 
 
8x20
8x42
15x56
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I think 3 pairs of binos it's ok but I'll be better with 2 binos and a spotting scope; so I'll choose a 10x42FL, and maybe 7x56FL and then I'll  go for the spotting. A Zeiss digiscope 20x60 60mm will be a dream......  
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Sorry it's the zeiss diascope spotting scope..
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Originally posted by Agustinmx Agustinmx wrote:

I think 3 pairs of binos it's ok but I'll be better with 2 binos and a spotting scope; so I'll choose a 10x42FL, and maybe 7x56FL and then I'll  go for the spotting. A Zeiss digiscope 20x60 60mm will be a dream......  
 
There is no Zeiss 7x56. There is an excellent 8x56.
 
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

 
8x20
8x42
15x56
 
8x20: nice, but better make sure that you can hold steady such a small package. 
Some of those tiny things have very mushy hinges, making it difficult to hold the IPD steady, the focusers tend to be small, and sometimes are at the wrong end. I did like the Leica Ultravid, but not enough to spend $600, and they where nowhere near my EL 8x32. I got a really nice set of backpacks instead. Instead of getting a tiny glass to increase the chances of having binoculars with me, i got a few packs that make it easy and comfortable for me to carry my toys, increasing the chances of taking them with me. 
 
15x56: Does your Aflac cover injuries caused by these?Smile I went the route of a small 20x50 scope+light tripod instead.
 
The victims of my "get comfortable and use what feels best" are a Swarovski 80mm spotting scope and a Leica 10x42. They feel depressed and abandoned now.
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

 
8x20
8x42
15x56
 
8x20: nice, but better make sure that you can hold steady such a small package. 
Some of those tiny things have very mushy hinges, making it difficult to hold the IPD steady, the focusers tend to be small, and sometimes are at the wrong end. I did like the Leica Ultravid, but not enough to spend $600, and they where nowhere near my EL 8x32. I got a really nice set of backpacks instead. Instead of getting a tiny glass to increase the chances of having binoculars with me, i got a few packs that make it easy and comfortable for me to carry my toys, increasing the chances of taking them with me. 
 
15x56: Does your Aflac cover injuries caused by these?Smile I went the route of a small 20x50 scope+light tripod instead.
 
The victims of my "get comfortable and use what feels best" are a Swarovski 80mm spotting scope and a Leica 10x42. They feel depressed and abandoned now.
 
20mm binoculars are definitely a specialty glass and most assuredly involve compromises (but then again, all optics do).  The thing is though, I carry binoculars EVERYWHERE.  No exceptions.  I have them at work, at church, at concerts, at the theater, at school functions, when I travel, at restaurants, etc.   I even have an 8x25 in my pocket right now as I type this. In some of these places backpacks, lumbar packs, and even briefcases don't fit in too well and so; even an 8x32 (though admittedly offering better optical performance) just is too big. 
 
15x56s are also specialty glass.  They would be used almost exclusively from a vehicle and with either a tripod or a window mount.   You can see alot of things with a 15x56 that you won't see with an 8x or a 10x glass.  It also is more comfortable, because both eyes are being used for viewing, than a spotting scope for long periods of glassing.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not willing to give up my spotting scopes.  The question asked however, didn't say anything about them.
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do you think the 8x42fl's are much better than my el's??
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I guess since 10x are sort of a mute point I'll keep the hgs ive got.

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