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About 6 months ago I bought a Weaver model 800362 Tactical scope ($768) for my AR10. I chose a Weaver because I’ve had one (4x, came with the rifle acquired in 1964) and it still works fine.

Mounted the Weaver and went to the range to zero the rifle. The best 3 round shot group I could achieve was 3” (most around 5”) at 100 yards. Now the AR10 has a reputation of being better than that, so I bought a bench rest and tried again with the same results. So figured it must be me just getting older. BUT maybe it was the rifle (hard to admit your eyes are going), so I ordered a Springfield .308 to try.

While waiting for the Springfield to arrive one day, at Sportsman’s Warehouse, I was whining to one of the salesman about the AR10 and got talked into trying a Vortex scope ($752). I mounted it on my AR10, and headed for the range. The rifle with a Vortex scope shot sub-MOA groups at 100 yards and 1.5” to 2” groups at 200 yards for about 48 rounds. (I was ecstatic, my eyesight had improved) I was having so much fun I couldn’t stop shooting. A local guy on the next lane asked if he could try the AR10 (with his ammo, different than mine) and shot slightly better than I was doing. He kept badgering me to sell him the rifle until I finally sold it to him for about $400 more than I had in the gun. (After all, my eyes were getting better and I had a new rifle on the way).

I picked up the Springfield and stopped by the range (without mounting the Weaver scope because the range was on the way back to my house). The Springfield (with iron sights) shot a .8” group at 100 yds after shooting 9 lapping rds and cleaning the barrel and zeroing . WOW, just wait until I get the scope on this rifle (my eyes are getting better every time I go to the range, but I was having to use those bright red sticker for the bulls eye at 100 yds). Well winter set in and in Mississippi that means rain and cold and no range days without slogging through the mud down range to check/change your target. So I put a Troy chases, Troy flip-up iron sights, Magpol stock, a bipod and the Weaver scope on the Springfield, while waiting for a dry range.

Last Saturday I headed out to zero and have some fun. My cold (first) shot was about 4” low @ 7 o‘clock (to be expected), the next 2 shots were dead on the vertical target line, 6” low. OK move to 100 yds, adjust and shoot 3 rds.

Those 3 were a 1” group @ 11 o’clock about 2.5” off center. Maybe I screwed up the adjustment, so adjust for elevation, one more shot, 9 o’clock 1” off center, good (now lets have some fun). New target, adjust windage 1” to the right and fire 3 rds. #1) 8 o’clock 5” off center, #2) 7 o’clock 7” off center, #3) completely off the paper. WTF. Check the scope rings, their still tight. Ammo out of the same box of 20 I used with the iron sights 2 months ago. Must be the Troy build I did. Pull the scope off the gun. Zero the Troy flip-up sights. And move target back to 100 yds (with bright red sticker for bulls eye). Three rds. Half inch group @ 4 o’clock 3” off center, adjust and shoot 3 rds. 8th group on 1.5” red sticker.

I’ve put this Weaver on 3 different rifles now and can’t get a good zero with it.

Conclusion, rifle is good to go, Troy build is good to go, Weaver scope is a $800 piece of junk?

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

I’ve called Weaver’s Technical Service Department, spoke to an automated answering machine, no return call yet. Emailed Weaver’s Customer Service Department, no return email yet.

I would like in put from you guys, what am I missing?

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you could have a lemon.  I'd try another scope in the springfield though to make sure your mounts are causing an issue but it does sound like a scope issue with you having it on 3 rigs and all have proved your theory.
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Sometimes, bad things happen.  Sounds like you got a bad scope.  Send it back.   

A commentary... people tend to believe that businesses like Weaver should get back with them "right away".  They have LOTS of customers and sometimes your urgency is not theirs.  Would be nice if it were, but you are a slot in a rotation.  Sometimes things occur more quickly than other times.  I'm not known for patience, but I do know when lack of patience is wasted effort and when it can accomplish something useful.  Let me suggest that you "campaign" your problem... make calls every few hours, send a number of emails.  One call and one email... you may not seem high on the priority list.  Become a "squeaky wheel" and you might get greased a bit faster.  If it is not worth your time, could well be it is not worth theirs...
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Thanks for the replies guys.
THAT is good advise Kickboxer, I'm pretty short on pateince too.
 
Weaver contacted me today and I'm sending them the scope tomorrow.

One of the reasons that I chose the Weaver was their ability to stand up to rough use. This is one of their Tactical scopes and advertised as being used by the military on the M14, so I assumed that it could withstand the auto-action of the M14 M1A. I'm hopeing that I just got a bad one.
By the way, I thought Weaver was a German company, but my scope was stamped "Made in China" on the bottom in very small print. I found it when I was looking for a serial number. That might have something to do with the problem too.
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Interesting.  My 800363 is very clearly marked "Made in Japan."  It is a very nice scope, which is aligned and tracks as well as I have been able to measure.

I certainly agree with Kickboxer's general point, although I will express my frustration with more than one company, including Weaver, following ATK's acquisition thereof.  My experience in terms of being able to contact a knowledgeable person, and/or my experience with product availability, has declined measurably since ATK's takeover of a number of outfits I've historically really liked (and done a lot of business with).  Coincidence?  Hard to say...
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Originally posted by MZ5 MZ5 wrote:

Interesting.  My 800363 is very clearly marked "Made in Japan."  It is a very nice scope, which is aligned and tracks as well as I have been able to measure.

I certainly agree with Kickboxer's general point, although I will express my frustration with more than one company, including Weaver, following ATK's acquisition thereof.  My experience in terms of being able to contact a knowledgeable person, and/or my experience with product pricing & availability, has declined measurably since ATK's takeover of a number of outfits I've historically really liked (and done a lot of business with).  Coincidence?  Hard to say...
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Ack!! What did I do?  Sorry about that, everyone... Whacko
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