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Only one SWFA read the fine print it clearly answers your question!!! ExcellentCoolBig Grin
Originally posted by Boom Stick Boom Stick wrote:

Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

... which SWFA at the time would not honor the price match....

Did SWFA say this to you outright?
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Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

The entire inventory was bought by the competition which SWFA at the time would not honor the price match.



And this is important to this topic HOW?
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Originally posted by greywolf greywolf wrote:

I just bought a Weaver CE 2.5-10x56 with #4 illuminated.  $289 for a scope that had a retail price of $989
 
I didn't have much time to look through it as I was rushing to work, but what little I saw was quite impressive.
 
I was going to get a Kahles Multi-zero for a special application rifle, but now I think I will simply have a small laminated card for the number of clicks I need to dial down for my special application and get another WCE - this time a 1.5-4.5x24 model.
 

Do you guy's really think any one paid this price for one of these scopes?    I really think NOT!
if they were selling them for $289.00 they still made profit go figure!  forgot anyone need a SHAMWOW?


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I bought a 2.5-10x50 for $289 and liked it so well that I sold my Kahles on ebay to buy another.  Sometimes a vendor who gets a good bulk buy is able to under sell all others at retail.  I decided not to hold SWFA to the price guarantee.  It just didn't seem fair.
 
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On a lighter note, what's a Shamwow? I think I might need one? Also, hard to believe A retailer could discount a product 71 % and make a profit.  Somebody lost money somewhere. Probably Meade?

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I'm primarily a hog hunter, so light gathering and reticle visability are my primary concerns (after the obvious of durability). I did a obviously "non scientific" comparison of the following scopes last night in hunting conditions. I have listed then in order of performance in the two categories.

Light gathering (the Trijicon and Weaver were both noticable brighter)

Trijicon 2.5-10x56 green tritium dot

Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10x56 illuminated

Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x50 HDPX

Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10x50 illuminated (minimal eye relief)

Reticle visibility and flash
 
Trijicon
 
Bushnell
 
Weaver (has some flash that I don't really like, lowest setting is still awfully bright)
 
Leupold
 
Based on all factors that are important to me. Quality, light gathering, size, weight, reticle visbility at night, etc. the Trijicon and Weaver are pretty close, I'm settling on the Trijicon for my hog hunting rifles.
 
Two main negatives with the Weaver is the reticle flash (which probably isn't a big deal in the field, I just don't like it) and the fact it needs batteries. No batteries required and nothing to turn on will always be a plus for the Trijicon. 
 
The only real issue I have with the Trijicon is the windage/elevation adjustments are VERY soft/easy to turn. I contacted Trijicon and they tell me this is normal????? Sorry, but I get a much better warm and fuzzy with the real positive ones on my Leupolds! However after 4 days/nights riding around in a Kawasaki mule and 30-40 rds of 180gr .30-06 is has held zero so far. Also if I buy another one I will go with the amber color dot, I have this in my 3-9x40 and find I personally see it a little better against more background colors in the field than I can the green.
 
Just my two cents worth based on what my 54 year old eyes see........................man have I pissed away a lot of money on scopes to get to this point!!!!!!
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Took my Weaver 2.5-10x56 with me (along with my new Zeiss 2.5-8x32 and Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50) scopes with me on my camping trip.  Out in the dark woods of north-western Florida near Cedar Key, I tested them all out at 6.5x, day and night.

The Weaver was particularly bright and crisp in light transmission and clarity - the Vortex was just simply awesome as well - both ranked right up there in my book - I think I liked the Weaver optics better, but liked the Vorted reticle better than the Weaver, which seemed a bit thick - but for its intended use, I'd say it was just right.  The Vortex needs a finer reticle for the long-range shots, where the Weaver is intended, IMHO, more as a woods/deer/hog low-light scope.
 
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Against my better judgement I ordered the 2.5-10X50 #4a sight unseen, looks like too good of a deal to pass up.  Crossing my fingers and hoping that it will make all of my dreams come true.  On a side note, what size of rings should I use for a T/C Encore with warne quick release and base?
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How does this scope compare to the Bushnell 4200 or Nikon Primos optically? 

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equal or better than the 4200 (better to my eyes)
same goes for the Nikon Monarch (primos is the older Monarchs)

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It just happens that Meade contracted L.O.W. in Japan to produce this line of scopes which put a MSRP of over $900.Now that ATK owns Weaver they sold the entire lot cheap to competitor Shooting Supplies.For the money it is the best buy going for 2009.Last year Nikon Primos was selling for about $200.With a poor economy deals are found.This week I bought a new Sightron SII Big Sky for $179 delivered.SWFA has a good deal on the Vortex Cross Fire.     

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I'd like to get some of that Big Sky action.
 
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Big Sky at $179 is a great deal.The first 3-9x42 SII BS I paid almost $380!!!  
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Damn, that is a nice deal - I just paid $275 for a used 4-12x50 Big Sky.  Seems to be a nice scope, though.
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Originally posted by 1911man 1911man wrote:

I'm primarily a hog hunter, so light gathering and reticle visability are my primary concerns (after the obvious of durability). I did a obviously "non scientific" comparison of the following scopes last night in hunting conditions. I have listed then in order of performance in the two categories.

Light gathering (the Trijicon and Weaver were both noticable brighter)

Trijicon 2.5-10x56 green tritium dot

Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10x56 illuminated

Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x50 HDPX

Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10x50 illuminated (minimal eye relief)

Reticle visibility and flash
 
Trijicon
 
Bushnell
 
Weaver (has some flash that I don't really like, lowest setting is still awfully bright)
 
Leupold
 
Based on all factors that are important to me. Quality, light gathering, size, weight, reticle visbility at night, etc. the Trijicon and Weaver are pretty close, I'm settling on the Trijicon for my hog hunting rifles.
 
Two main negatives with the Weaver is the reticle flash (which probably isn't a big deal in the field, I just don't like it) and the fact it needs batteries. No batteries required and nothing to turn on will always be a plus for the Trijicon. 
 
The only real issue I have with the Trijicon is the windage/elevation adjustments are VERY soft/easy to turn. I contacted Trijicon and they tell me this is normal????? Sorry, but I get a much better warm and fuzzy with the real positive ones on my Leupolds! However after 4 days/nights riding around in a Kawasaki mule and 30-40 rds of 180gr .30-06 is has held zero so far. Also if I buy another one I will go with the amber color dot, I have this in my 3-9x40 and find I personally see it a little better against more background colors in the field than I can the green.
 
Just my two cents worth based on what my 54 year old eyes see........................man have I pissed away a lot of money on scopes to get to this point!!!!!!
Bill, good points here - I don't have a Trijicon, but I've heard very good things about them.  I used to have a Tri-power but just didn't care for it and I don't recall why.  But the scopes seem very nice, if pricey. 
 
The thing I'm still wrapping my mind around with the Weaver is the thicker reticle - I KNOW it is a good thing for brush and low-light hunting, but since I've done very little of that and mostly bench-shoot, it is still a little disconcerting seeing that much thicker reticle cross hair on the Weaver than say on my Zeiss or Vortex scopes.
 
But the clarity of the optics is just wonderful, though - very very nice.
 
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Which reticle does your Weaver Classic Extreme have ... plex or #4? I am wondering how thick the plex reticle in the Weaver extreme is. I think since it is illuminated a regular plex would be fine since you can turn on the dot in low light.
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I have the German #4 reticle illuminated dot.For bench it is on the thick side but the side focus helps.For hunting it happens to be a great scope at a great price.
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Dave, I have the plex on the Weaver and a very thick German #4 on the Bushnell
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How is the reticle without being turned on? I was thinking of buying one and leaving the battery out because illuminated reticles are illegal in Oregon. 4 inches of eye relief sounds like a great thing for my 300 Wby.
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I think you would be fine...
just a normal reticle
I have the G4 reticle and it's not too thick in the middle for hunting
maybe a bit too thick for a benchrest competition gun but fine for big game hunting...

I was checking mine out yesterday evening and I have turkey decoys setup in the field behind my house at 85 yards and I could easily take head shots
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The scope is very clear and bright even in shooting on the bench at 100 yards I was able to clearly see the holes from my 25-06.The Classic Extreme is the best buy going. 
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Originally posted by Sandracer Sandracer wrote:

How is the reticle without being turned on? I was thinking of buying one and leaving the battery out because illuminated reticles are illegal in Oregon. 4 inches of eye relief sounds like a great thing for my 300 Wby.


Leave the battery in.  They are legal in Oregon.

Illuminated reticles are NOT illegal to use in Oregon unless you use a muzzleloader during the muzzleloader season.  AFA muzzleloader season in Oregon goes, ANY scope would be illegal.

You can't use laser sights, or any type of site that projects a beam to the target.  Illuminated reticles are totally legal for big game hunting in Oregon (check page 28, paragraph 3 of the 2009 Oregon Game Regulations for verification).
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Has anyone compared the reticle thickness between the Gen-X (plex) and German #4 on the 2.5-10x56 Weaver? I have to order one online and don't have an opportunity to see before I buy. I'm after the finer of the two.
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I have the German #4 Weaver Classic Extreme scopes.I prefer that reticle for hunting in low light.I bought both scopes for $289 and $299.The larger scope is mounted on my AR-15 for night shooting.The scopes are a great deal for the money.
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Thanks for the info Dale. I also emailed Weaver who confirmed that the #4 is finer, but still perfectly good for hunting, so I ordered one.
I intend to shoot some targets, and maybe a pig or two with the 308. I'm hoping the red dot will help target acquisition a bit. I found a nice image (below) of that reticle on another the 24hourcampfire forum. The red dot looks good against the bright city lights, but I'm hoping it can be turned down and not bee too distracting against a darker backdrop.


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