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Hello everyone.
             I have a Weatherby Vangaurd 300 wby mag. The "factory" recoil pad that is on it is NOT cutting it. This thing is brutal. Does anyone know where i can purchase a nice thick recoil pad for it. Im not looking to port the barrel or send it off. Also not looking for a slip on cheap pad either. Does anyone have any good recomendations? Thank You for your help.Smile
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Pachmayr decelerator works for me...
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Heard great things about the one Kickboxer mentioned, and there is also Limbsaver. Not sure which one is technically better, or the price difference of the two.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Pachmayr decelerator works for me...
Can you tell me what gun make and model you used for your weatherby? Im not seeing one for my rifle. Thank you!
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The decelerator normally coms stock on the Weatherby Vanguard...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The decelerator normally coms stock on the Weatherby Vanguard...

Specifications and features:
Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA matte bolt-action rifle
.30-06 Springfield caliber
24" barrel
1-10" rifling
5 +1 capacity
Thumb safety
Adjustable trigger
Pillar-bedded Fiberguard composite stock
Matte black metal finish
1-piece forged, fluted bolt body
3 gas ports
Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad
44-1/2" overall length
13-5/8" length of pull
3/4" drop at comb
1-1/2" drop at heel
7-1/2 lbs.

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Does yours say weatherby or Pachmayr on the butt of the recoil pad. Mine says Weatherby.
I found a grind-to-fit recoil pad that can be grround down to the size i need but i dont wanna spend any money on a gun smith.
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Also im not sure if mine is a Sub-MOA rifle. All mine says is Vangaurd made by Weatherby.
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I no longer have it and I honestly don't remember exactly, but I'm certain it says Weatherby.  I believe it is made by Pachmayr for Weatherby.  It is considered to be quite good for a Vanguard-style rifle...
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  The Sub-MOA has a completely diff stock(Bell & Carlson) than the std Synthetic Vanguard(Butler Creek?).  The std Synthetic Vanguard is an injection molded stock with a "low density foam"recoil pad.  The Sub-MOA can cost as much as 3x more than the std Vanguard so that should tell you which model you have.  I've messed with one Synthetic Vanguard (Walmart).  It was a .300 Weatherby model.  I found the stock to be totally functional but definitely not the best for getting the most accuracy out of the rifle(flimsy forend for one).  The owner sold it due to the recoil.  IF the recoil pad on it can be screwed off(some are glued on)maybe you can try and match a better one up to it. I did a quick search and found a direct replacement Kick-EZ but only for the wood stocked Vanguards.
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Tyler,
Take it to your gunsmith, he can install a good recoil pad on it for a few bucks and he can also ensure that the stock fits you correctly. Having said that, as you are probably aware all 300 mags have a bit of kick to them and the Weatherby mags can have a bit more. Most people learn to tolerate it but some do not so they drop down in caliber like to 30 06, etc.
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I called a gunsmith and he said a little over 80 bucks to fit one. He said it would take the kick down to a 308/30-06. Does this sound right?
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 I can't see it happening unless that recoil pad weighs at least a pound.  Only way your going to reduce actual recoil is by reducing bullet velocity,bullet weight,or increase rifle weight(like using a Boyd's stock).  You could reduce felt recoil by going with another stock design if that one doesn't work for you.
 
  Forgot one option. A muzzle brake.   Loco


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IF it is a real problem, there is a mercury-filled recoil reducer that can be installed and it IS fairly effective if properly installed.  A recoil pad does nothing to actually reduce recoil, it only "pads" it.  Anyone who tells you it reduces recoil is either yanking your chain or uninformed.  A rifle with a recoil pad on it still transfers the same amount of energy to the point of contact... the butt of the rifle, the pad just spreads it out more.  Same concept could be applied to football pads.  As stated above, a muzzle brake will provide some real reduction... depending on type can be anywhere from 30% to 60%.  I've seen claims for higher reduction, but ??? Stock design has a significant impact as it determines the "path" of recoil forces.  The Vanguard I had for a few days I only got to shoot a box of shells through... it was relatively mild in my opinion.  The Pachmayr pad seemed good to me.  I got a great deal, knew someone who wanted one and let him have it for what I got it for, after I tested it out.  I let him keep the Leupold rings and base, too, so I lost money on the "deal"...  
I almost bought one of the WalMart Vanguards for $300.00 (they were selling out the line), but my wife said "do you REALLY want this?".  I said "no, but..."  She just looked at me and I realized I really didn't need it...

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Just curious to what grain bullet your using? If its a 180gr, you may consider dropping down to a 165 or 150gr (just make sure its of premium quality) that, with a good recoil pad may be enough to make the rifle some what more comfortable.  Once you have the rifle zero'd, get off the bench. Recoil is usually more tolerable in normal hunting type positions.
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Thanks 300 for the link. I will bt picking one up tonight. And thank you to everyone else that has helped me. I am useing 180gr and will back it down to 160 along with getting a nice recoil pad for my new stock. Looks like im going to have to put some money into the things after all.........
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Well good luck with it.  Be sure and let us know how it turns out.  
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   +1!!
 
  I've seen quite a few of those Boyd stocks.  GOOD stuff.  With the design and extra weight you'll gain with the stock plus a decent recoil pad I'd bet you'll be able to handle those 180's just fine.
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5 times more "softer" than Pachmayr........Bucky
 
 
 
 
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  That's what I'm hearing.  I may get the 30 yr old Pachmayr changed out on my .300. 
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I have a kick eez on my 300 win mag and you can NOT feel it kick at all. LOVE those recoil pads. I also have a buddy of mine that has one a 338 L mag and the kick is nice and tame.
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  That's GOOD to hear!  Been considering a change for the past couple seasons.  Another job for Bd.
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I have the Kick Eez on my Remington 700 SPS factory stocked 300 Win Mag.  The fit is terrible, but I think it is the cheap factory stock that is responsible for that.  It really tamed down the felt recoil though and covered with an ammo pouch/cheek pad the bad fit was covered.  I now have a B&C stock for it now though.
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How do you like that B&C stock? I was thinking of them or a A5 for my Sendero sometime next year...which means I'll have to sell the H-S...
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I actually haven't mounted the rifle in it yet, hope to do that next weekend.  The finish isn't bad, and it will look pretty silly for a while since the barrel channel is cut for a #3 and I'm going to run the factory sporter for a while.  Koshkin and 338 LapuaSlap seem pretty happy with their B&C stocks though, and that is why I decided to go with one.  Picked mine up at stocky's , just couldn't justify a Manners or McMillan at this point, even though the budget rifle thing has kinda been thrown out the window.  Here is a semi recent thread about B&C's http://www.opticstalk.com/stocks-bc-anyone-have-any-issues_topic29548.html.


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