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Why not a Zeiss Conquest 1-4x20 with a German no. 4 reticle?

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 Your preaching to the choir here,anweis.  Bucky
 
 Doubt you'll see a Conquest like that anytime soon.  Not while low powered variables and fixed scopes are being discontinued the way they are.  Just not enough demand for them.
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The SS 1-4 will be fine with me.Bucky
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That, and something on the lines of a 2-7X36 Conquest would be awesome.
 
But alas, evidently low range variables don't sell well enough anymore.
 
I was sad to see the little 4X32 Conquest go.  Glad I have one.
 
Would be nice if the Conquests got Lotutec coating too.
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yes...
I shoot quite a bit at the local range, from field positions, to hone my skills, and i see a lot of folks mounting 5-20x50 monsters on their deer guns, in a wooded fragmented region where the longest shot is probably 200 yards but the average kill is at 40-50 yards. These gents tend to be younger, tend to spend $30,000 on a truck and $400 on a rifle and scope, have no clue about scopes and guns...  Most of them hunt with the scope crancked at 10x or 20x...
They sometimes shoot 10-15 rounds quickly and then they try to zero their scopes on the erratic pattern shot by the hot barrels.
 
In my 2 years of weekly shooting at that range, i saw 50-70 folks sighting in their scoped muzzleloaders. One of them knew what they were doing...
 
I don't have cable TV, but i think that these folks "learn" from those shows where some guy shoots a mule deer at 500 yards. I also tend to find more 300 Mag, 300 Wea, 300 RUM, brass more often than 30-30 or 30-06 or such. Duh, our only big game are ferocious deer the size of big dogs...


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I got the 2.5-8x32 and i like it more than the 3-9x40. I wanted to buy another 32, but they are gone...  When hunting, they both are left at 2.5x or 3x.  

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I think in general lots of american shooters are obsessed with high magnification just like a lot think they need the fastest round possible.  They will wreck there brass getting that last 50 fps out of it.  I just don't get either of them.Loco
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The "more is better" disease afflicts way too many neophytes in every hobby.
 
Bigger/faster/more powerful makes great ad copy and sells more goods.
 
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  GLAD I got a 4X Conquest when I did to. RIP,I guess.

 

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You will occasionally see a low powered variable pop up on the Samplelist.
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The market for traditional optical 1-4x scopes with tiny objectives to go on carbines is getting co-opted by electronic/dot sights I think. Ditto for tweeners I guess.
 
Honestly, I've never found the 3x of a standard 3-9x scope to ever give me a problem with fast target acquistion, even inside of 25yds on tiny critters like squirrels. I've also never found the weight of even huge scopes to be much of a problem on any rifle I had. Then again,I'm not much of a "light carbine" guy either. For the average eastern whitetail hunter who stand hunts, who cares if the scope weighs an extra 5-10 ounces? The apple and jerky I pack in my lunch weighs more than the difference between a 3-9x 50mm and a 1-4x 20mm scope. I'm not swinging the rifle like a shotgun,so I've never understood the "handling" issue that some mention.

 
 


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I put the Elite 6500 2.5-16 on WidowMaker, and I zeroed it on 10X or 12X, and only have used 16X to check my groupings, and to scan the back treeline for creatures since I don't have binos or a spotting scope. But I agree everything is becoming the bigger the better syndrome, and its ridiculous. I won't say that I'm not at fault for it, because I am, but I try to not be.
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Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:

The market for traditional optical 1-4x scopes with tiny objectives to go on carbines is getting co-opted by electronic/dot sights I think. Ditto for tweeners I guess.
 
Honestly, I've never found the 3x of a standard 3-9x scope to ever give me a problem with fast target acquistion, even inside of 25yds on tiny critters like squirrels. I've also never found the weight of even huge scopes to be much of a problem on any rifle I had. Then again,I'm not much of a "light carbine" guy either. For the average eastern whitetail hunter who stand hunts, who cares if the scope weighs an extra 5-10 ounces? The apple and jerky I pack in my lunch weighs more than the difference between a 3-9x 50mm and a 1-4x 20mm scope. I'm not swinging the rifle like a shotgun,so I've never understood the "handling" issue that some mention.


I hunt in thick oak and mahogany a lot, and also pines.  So having a light quick gun does help in that regard.  But you are right, it all comes down to the type of hunting a person is doing. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:

The market for traditional optical 1-4x scopes with tiny objectives to go on carbines is getting co-opted by electronic/dot sights I think. Ditto for tweeners I guess.
 
Honestly, I've never found the 3x of a standard 3-9x scope to ever give me a problem with fast target acquistion, even inside of 25yds on tiny critters like squirrels. I've also never found the weight of even huge scopes to be much of a problem on any rifle I had. Then again,I'm not much of a "light carbine" guy either. For the average eastern whitetail hunter who stand hunts, who cares if the scope weighs an extra 5-10 ounces? The apple and jerky I pack in my lunch weighs more than the difference between a 3-9x 50mm and a 1-4x 20mm scope. I'm not swinging the rifle like a shotgun,so I've never understood the "handling" issue that some mention.


I hunt in thick oak and mahogany a lot, and also pines.  So having a light quick gun does help in that regard.  But you are right, it all comes down to the type of hunting a person is doing. 
+1.  it all comes down to the type of hunting you do. I hunt deep in the swamps on some days and in clear cuts that sometimes are 1000 yds across on others. I use very different guns for those tasks.
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It's sad but true, the fixed and low power variables seem to have not worked out for Zeiss in the Conquest line.   Bummer!!!!
 
I have a 1.-8-5.5x38mm Conquest and I have to say, that is one fine optical instrument.  Frakkin' thing is HUGE, for what it is, and I get the feeling they just designed it for long tube length and crazy-good optics and screw the rest.  Maybe they thought it'd sell to the African-rifle crowd who'd appreciate the tube length and low power?
 
But my main point here is that it's thinkin' wrongly in my opinion to assume that all scopes act the same at a given power setting.  They do not.  In my opinion, 4X on a 4-14 scope is a whole different thing than 4x on say the scope I pimped up above <grin>.
 
I like low-power variable scopes and lament the passing of anything resembling such a beast in the Conquest lineup.
 
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I was disappointed that Zeiss discontinued the 2.5-8x32 Conquest.  However, I am somewhat encouraged by the fact that Minox introduced the 1.5-8x32 ZA-5.  It should be available early in 2011 and I am slated to run a test on one of these.  I'll compare it to Kahles CL 2-7x36 and Vortex Viper 2-7x32.  Both of these are discontinued, so Minox and Leupold are working out to be almost the only game in town for tweener scope.  We'll see how it goes, bu tperhaps I will also be able to get my hands on a 2-7x33 VX-R.

As far as Conquest goes, I would definitely like to see Zeiss introduce something smaller than the 3-9x40 again, but it is hard to predict how that will sell.  Generally, with the proliferation of high erector ratio scopes, I am kinda hoping for 1-6x or something along those lines from Zeiss.  We'll see what SHOT show brings.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I was disappointed that Zeiss discontinued the 2.5-8x32 Conquest.  However, I am somewhat encouraged by the fact that Minox introduced the 1.5-8x32 ZA-5.  It should be available early in 2011 and I am slated to run a test on one of these.  I'll compare it to Kahles CL 2-7x36 and Vortex Viper 2-7x32.  Both of these are discontinued, so Minox and Leupold are working out to be almost the only game in town for tweener scope.  We'll see how it goes, bu tperhaps I will also be able to get my hands on a 2-7x33 VX-R.

As far as Conquest goes, I would definitely like to see Zeiss introduce something smaller than the 3-9x40 again, but it is hard to predict how that will sell.  Generally, with the proliferation of high erector ratio scopes, I am kinda hoping for 1-6x or something along those lines from Zeiss.  We'll see what SHOT show brings.

ILya

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

That, and something on the lines of a 2-7X36 Conquest would be awesome.
 
But alas, evidently low range variables don't sell well enough anymore.
 
I was sad to see the little 4X32 Conquest go.  Glad I have one.
 
Would be nice if the Conquests got Lotutec coating too.


All true.  I'd also love to see a fixed 6x.  I'd buy a bunch of those!
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Scopes are like automobiles.
 
The actual cost of material and labor do not vary greatly over product line, at least not proportionally to retail price.
 
But the asking price and profit will be alot greater on the higher end.
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I too would love to see Zeiss offer a smaller Conquest than the 3-9x40. After one season with mine, I like it for its low light performance and I love the fixed eye relief, but would prefer a lighter weight scope. I don't really need much below 2 or above 6 power so something in that neighborhood with the low light qualities of my 3-9 would be welcome.
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