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I am looking for a scope for a hunting/light tactical rifle setup and was about to pull the trigger on a VXIII 4.5X14 40mm scope. However, I saw the refurb Nikon monarch 4-16x42 on the swfa sample list for a good bit less money. Anybody have a head to head comparison? Thanks.
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how much do you wanna spend and what are you using it for? and would you consider any other choices?
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I am open to any choices and was hoping to stay around the $350-400 mark. I have had good luck in the past with Leupys, Nikons and 4200s.
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do you have to have the 4-14 4-16 stuff?
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I was hoping to get some more X-power to play with some longer range (350-500) shots.
 
3 X 9 will hande 90% of what the rifle will be used for.
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do you want the higher powers though?
a 3x9 zeiss conquest would be a nice scope if your used to the monarchs 4200's and vx3's
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Why don't you get a higher powered Conquest??  Thinking
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Yep, I guess I have my heart set on something higher than 3X9 for this rifle.
 
I have looked through a conquest at the range and couldn't discern much of a difference. Never used one in field/low light conditions though.
 
Is the glass on the monarch comparable to the VXIII?
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yes, the conquest imo is better in low light, and yes the monarch and 4200 are right in there with the vx3 also they are all close problem is that a 4x14 sized conquest is over $800

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I'd go with the Monarch, but then again, I'm not much of a Leupy fan.  I'd take a 4200 over the Monarch.  Just my opinion.
 
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i would take the monarch if you have a stout kicking rifle, the eye relief on the 4200 is a little shorter, but i like my 4200 also
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9385 Nikon 4-16x42 Monarch 8422, Matte finish, BDC reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, finger adjustable windage and elevation, factory reconditioned. $570.00 $349.95
Any issues with this Nikon? Looks like a good deal to me.
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Originally posted by Texlaw Texlaw wrote:

9385 Nikon 4-16x42 Monarch 8422, Matte finish, BDC reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, finger adjustable windage and elevation, factory reconditioned. $570.00 $349.95
Any issues with this Nikon? Looks like a good deal to me.
 
Looks like a good deal to me, too.Yippee
 
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Originally posted by Texlaw Texlaw wrote:

I am looking for a scope for a hunting/light tactical rifle setup and was about to pull the trigger on a VXIII 4.5X14 40mm scope. However, I saw the refurb Nikon monarch 4-16x42 on the swfa sample list for a good bit less money. Anybody have a head to head comparison? Thanks.
..........What rifle brand/model and what cartridge?
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The gun is a 700 LTR  .308 in Mcmillan stock.

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For what it's worth, I hunted today with a 4.5-14x40 Leupold.  It is a fine scope for field hunting.  It is fairly sorry in the woods....  If you can make it with a 3x9-40, you would probably find it MUCH more useful in a wooded area. 
 
If all you want is a scope for a 'field' gun, then the higher power does have advantages.  The main reason I like the 14x is to determine if the deer has enough in the way of antlers for me to burn one of my tags on it.
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Originally posted by Texlaw Texlaw wrote:

The gun is a 700 LTR  .308 in Mcmillan stock.

...............For 350 to 500 yard shots on deer sized game a 3x9 is fine. For this rifle the VTR (couldn`t find an LTR), with an OAL of 41 5/8 inches, you don`t want to go too large and too heavy of a scope imo. It may overwhelm this rifle.
 
The listed weight on the Remy site is 7 1/2 lbs for this rifle. The 4x16 scopes plus the rings  bases, sling and loaded will put the overall weight at nearly 9 lbs. If you`re going to be hiking and climbing for some lengths of time, not the best weight to be lugging around but do-able.
 
Also, as you increase the magnification for a long range kill shot, you automatically increase or magnify the scope wobble which we all have. This creates shooting delays as you are fighting to remain steady. Seldom on average, most hunters will never magnify beyond 5 to 6X for those 300 to 500 yard shots. In fact, most never go beyond 4 or 5x.
 
For smaller varmits at extended ranges a 16x setting while on a rock steady platform or bench is fine. But for deer and larger game hunting, it`s not needed and very unnecessary.
Should you find yourself in timber or closer cover while hunting, 4 to 4.5x on the low end is not an ideal setting. FOV`s are reduced while target acquisition is more difficult and slower.
 
A good all around balance is the key for any hunting situation. This includes the scope. For your rifle`s size, I like the Elite 3-9x40 4200, the 2.5-8x36 VX3, the 2.5-8x32 Nikon Monarch, the 2.5-8x32 Conquest. 
 
Once in awhile, I happen to take a 9.5 oz 1.5-5x20 VX3 off of one rifle and mount it on my 300 WSM. Set on the 5x (really a 4.5x), I have no problem with deer sized targets at ranges of 300 to 500 yards.   
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