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I stopped in my local sportshop yesterday to look through scopes for my new Sako 85 and I was surprised at what I saw.  I've always been a VX III guy and use them for benchrest as do most shooters at my club.  I have my choices narrowed down to VX III 3.5x10-40, Zeiss Conquest 3x10-44, and Swarovski 3x10-42Av.  I'm good friends with the scope guy so we tested all three side by side looking across a 100yd parking lot at some signs with plenty of words in various sizes on them.  The results were startling to me and the sales guy.
 
THe VX III and Swarovski had similar contrast and brightness.  THe Swarovski was much more forgiving to head movement but other than that, we both called it a wash optically (in broad daylight).  The Conquest was as bright as the other two but did not have as good of resolution.  We could never get the words to read as clearly as the others, as if the Zeiss was always just ever so slightly out of focus.  We adjusted the eyepiece and improved nothing.  The resolution just was not there.  It was not horrible and I wouldn't even notice it unless you looked through all of them side by side. 
 
I was very surprised to see a VXIII that costs 1/2 the price of the Swaro compare so well.  Don't get me wrong the Swaro is better glass I'm sure, but the difference was not much to our eyes.  I assume the difference would be more pronounced at dusk but I was there in the afternoon.  The VXIII did have a laser etched reticle and I wonder if those scopes are optically a little better thant he wire reticle offerings.  I have some VXIII's long range with both etched and wire and it seems the etched are slightly clearer to my eyes.
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This is a good example of how everyone's eyes are different.
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It's also a good example of looking through scopes in the broad daylight......they all look pretty good then.  Pre-dawn and post dusk are where the rubber meets the road.  I have the same VX III you looked through, the same Swaro you looked through, 2 of the same Conquests you looked through, an elite 4200 3-9x40, an elite 3.5-10x40 (and several others that I won't include here).  The VX III finishes last against these scopes in my arsenal in clarity, and especially light gathering ability "when the rubber meets the road".  My burris FFII 3-9x40 compares favorably to my VXIII in daylight.
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Take them out at daybreak or sunset - whole 'nother story!   p.s. Congrads on your new Sako 85!!! what caliber?
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

It's also a good example of looking through scopes in the broad daylight......they all look pretty good then.  Pre-dawn and post dusk are where the rubber meets the road.  I have the same VX III you looked through, the same Swaro you looked through, 2 of the same Conquests you looked through, an elite 4200 3-9x40, an elite 3.5-10x40 (and several others that I won't include here).  The VX III finishes last against these scopes in my arsenal in clarity, and especially light gathering ability "when the rubber meets the road".  My burris FFII 3-9x40 compares favorably to my VXIII in daylight.


We were sighting in our scopes at deer camp this year around 11am in the morning. I've been using a Swaro z6 for two years now and my brother handed his rifle to me to take a couple of shots. It has a 6.5-20x50 VX-III mounted on it. I used to have one myself so I'm very familiar with the scope. For me and my eyes I noticed the difference right away. Looking through the scope and focusing on the target it appeared to have a slightly yellowish tint. I cleaned the lenses because we have fine red dirt in the area where we were shooting thinking maybe the was the problem. Nope. There can be a difference during the day and your right even more so during low light conditions.


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The 85 is in 270 wsm.  It's got a really nice piece of wood on it too.  I've been elbows deep swabbing oil on it this afternoon (that's my favorite part of a new toy).  I notice the 85's don't come with Optilock rings like the 75's did.  THe new 85's are matte bead blasted blue.  They don't make matte Optilocks so I'm gonna go another way.  Warne told me they stopped making Sako rings 3 weeks ago because of variations on the dimensions of the dovetail.  They had numerous complaints about the rear rings not tightening down properly.  I'm not sold on the type of mounts that use a screw down onto the checkered top of the dovetail to tighten so my options are limited.  Any suggestions?  The Leupold's look good but I've never used them.
 
I'm sure you guys are right about the scopes being more different in low light.  I still can't figure out the blurry Conquest though.  The salesman noticed it too.  And he wears glasses, I don't so we have different eyes.  Maybe it was a dud Zeiss?  Is there such a thing.Loco
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A dud Zeiss? Every manufacturer will from time to time have a bad one get by. It wouldn't be the first, rare yes but not the first. Bad reviews and bad publicity regarding CS and QC can be found on any scope manufacturer. The real proof is in the real world handling of expectations. Zeiss does a good job, as do several others. At any rate, if you can afford to buy a Zeiss, the likelihood that what you get will be as bad as you observed is highly unlikely.
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Are there any favorite Sako mounts?  This is my first Sako.  Somewhere in my readings I stumbled across someone who said the Leupold rings aren't very solid.  Any experiences with Sako mounts would be greatly appreciated.
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There was a post here recently about these..... the guy had gotten Warne rings and they didn't fit.  I think Warne made new ones just for the 85 and that fixed his problem.  I haven't heard anything since that post.  So you might do a search.
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Thanks.  I ordered the optilock bases and rings.  $170 after tax and shipping.  Ouch.  I know they aren't worth that but oh well.
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The optilock bases and rings are worth the money spended. They are made of excellent quality, I have 4 of them, and never eany problems. Use and  Enjoy them, not much money spent in the long run.Smile
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My 3 Tikkas (made by Sako, same base configuration) wear Warne and Talley rings (Talley has base integrated in screws in to the tapped receiver - thus bypassing the dovetail problem.)

Of the 2 I use, I like the Talleys best, lighter weight, great hold, great mounting configuration.
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Thanks for the discussion and thread.
I have done several "looking through the scope" tests and have come to the conclusion that in sunny South Africa all the medium to top end scopes perform pretty well in that dept. Certainly good enough that it does not warrant spending extra $$$ for the name. Unless you have the $$$ to burn off course. Then the S&B is tops. So the quality lies elsewhere, tube strength, repeatability of adjustments etc.
I have a Sako and find the Leupold dovetail base and rings top class.
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Thanks for the info everyone.  I've been leaning toward the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 with either fine crosshair or zplex reticle.  I want to use the scope for hunter class benchrest which has a ceiling of 14x maximum.  I may or may not use the Sako for that game but I want the option of using the scope on a different rifle in the future.  Does anyone know if the fine crosshair is finer than the center of the ZPlex reticle?  I looked through a Conquest with the ZPlex today and it has a finer center than most duplex reticles IMO.  I've never looked through Zeiss' fine crosshair.  Thanks in advance.
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Today I got the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 Zplex.  I tested it at dusk against some VX III's and everyone was right.  THe difference is clear in low light.  The brightness and resolution are better than the VXIII according to my eyes.
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Congrats Horsemany - we sure like to see pics!  What are you mounting this on again?
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It's on a Sako 85 with good wood.  I'll work on the pics.
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Sounds like a perfect match. Thunbs%20Up
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