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I'm looking into maybe? getting myself a 30mm scope. I usually prefer 1" scopes(Vx11 2-7x33's being my pets) but I have heard so much hype on these 2 I thought I would ask a few questions.

1). How does the eye-box rate on both, 2). Eye-relief. General toughness(glass, internal & external), 3). Swaro's Warranty, 4). And what will these two scopes give me that I cannot do with my Vx11 2-7's?
I'm not using the scope to count the points on deer, I have my Nikon LXL's for that, I see them & I shoot them.
Please give me your honest thoughts regarding these two scopes. Thanks lads Big Grin

PS-I will put up another thread regarding the Zeiss Conquest, Kahles CL, Swaro AV & Leupy VX-3 soon.

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The Swarovski will be 'light years' beyond your VX-II in every way.  I own the Swaro. that you are asking about and it is excellent.  My question to you would be: why would you buy a Leupold when you can get a Swarovski for the same money?  (and I like Leupold)

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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

The Swarovski will be 'light years' beyond your VX-II in every way.  I own the Swaro. that you are asking about and it is excellent.  My question to you would be: why would you buy a Leupold when you can get a Swarovski for the same money?  (and I like Leupold)

 
Are you kidding, Swarovski is so beyond Leopold in every respect!
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

The Swarovski will be 'light years' beyond your VX-II in every way.  I own the Swaro. that you are asking about and it is excellent.  My question to you would be: why would you buy a Leupold when you can get a Swarovski for the same money?  (and I like Leupold)

 
Are you kidding, Swarovski is so beyond Leopold in every respect!
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Aren't these statements not one in the same?


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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Two rights don't make a wrong, or something like that.  Christ, Ed is wearing off on meBoozer


 not ta worry we will watch out for you, should you start to stray.
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tez338, from a hunters point of view " If you miss an animal at 250yds with your VXII, your going to miss that same animal had you used a VX-7 or Z6.  Now if you trying to determine the gender of a knat at 100yds you may want to look at the scopes in question.
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

My question to you would be: why would you buy a Leupold when you can get a Swarovski for the same money?  (and I like Leupold)



WARRANTY. That's all ATM

I have also had a PH 2.6-10x56 Swaro. That is now sold as I felt it didn't give me anything more my Vx11 & Vx111 gave me IN REAL HUNTING SITUATIONS. It was heavy, cumbersome & eye-relief wasn't that great. But these Z6's look allot better?

I also did the dusk & dawn tests IN REAL/LEGAL HUNTING SITUATIONS & I found the Vx111 3.5-10x50(& Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40) to match the Swaro in light gathering(when set on appropriateont Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4; mso-font-charset:1; mso-generic-font-family:roman; mso-font-format:other; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:-1610611985 1073750139 0 0 159 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-unhide:no; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} span.EmailStyle15 {mso-style-type:personal; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-unhide:no; mso-ansi-font-size:11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; mso-default-props:yes; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> < ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">< name="ProgId" ="Word.">< name="Generator" ="Microsoft Word 12">< name="Originator" ="Microsoft Word 12">
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I don't know what happened with the last post but I will try again.

WARRANTY. That's all ATM

I have also had a PH 2.6-10x56 Swaro. That is now sold as I felt it didn't give me anything more my Vx11 & Vx111 gave me IN REAL HUNTING SITUATIONS. It was heavy, cumbersome & eye-relief wasn't that great. But these Z6's look allot better?

I also did the dusk & dawn tests IN REAL/LEGAL HUNTING SITUATIONS & I found the Vx111 3.5-10x50(& Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40) to match the Swaro in light gathering(when set on appropriate  power setting = mm to pupil exit) & my Vx11 2-7x33 held it's own as well with no difference at dusk! But that has to do with mm's of light & what power one uses I guess.
Under moonlight the Swaro was better but who hunts under these conditions except the Eurpeans. At the range the Swaro was clearier on the target but like I said earlier it's not all about clarity for me.
Can the Swaro Z6 take a fall. What about warranty?
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Two rights don't make a wrong, or something like that.  Christ, Ed is wearing off on meBoozer
 
Ain't not, either!!!    Shocked
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Thanks Ed, Some times I have a hard time finding the right words.
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Based on what I see by those I have come to trust, the Swaro PH scope have a very good rep for holding up, but not so with some others.   The Z6 models have not been around long, but they were introduced with a rather vague 10 yr warranty which causes some to doubt their reliability.  E.




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In the US, the Z6 has a lifetime warranty, same as their other scopes.  From the Swaro N.A. website:
http://www.swarovskioptik.com/index.php?l=us&css=&c=produkte&nID=x462ef16724dd84.69362868&detail=us1168357436__ID45a3b83c382334.64403456&produktname=Z6%20/%20Z6i

The 10 year warranty is a Europe thing.  Just like competing Euro scopes, the warranties are by law limited in Europe vs. the more extensive coverage offered in the US.  With the exception of the 6X zoom erector and illumination controls on the Z6i model, the Z6 has essentially the same mechanical construction features as the PH.

Edited to add:  Please do not drop names and pretend to speak for someone else.  The man you referenced posts here.  If he really wanted to reveal his dissatisfaction with a particular series of scopes, he would have done so.  He chose not to mention the scopes in question by name for a very good reason, and I'm sure he would not appreciate you doing so.  I removed your comment referencing him from your post for this reason.



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  Leupold says that their VX-7's have up to 67% more eye box than the competition at the lower magnifications.  And up to 137% more at the higher magnifications.  Just where the Z-6 falls in all of this, I can't tell you. 
  But I can tell you that nobody I have seen has the generous eye boxes that Leupold has.   Since you are asking the question, I'm sure you know how important this quality is for those that need to shoot in a hurry.  It is the quality that I'm convinced makes the Leupold 6X42 such a practical, all around big game scope. 
  As to eye relief, every Leupold I've ever tested has checked out right on the specs for their eye relief.  More than enough. 
  General toughness ?  All Leupold scopes, even the very cheap, simple Rifleman scopes, must be able to withstand 750 g's, the equivalent of a .375 H&H, for 5000 times.  I know of no recoil standards for the Swarovski. 
  Both of these scopes are bigger scopes.  Thart means you can use more magnification and still have the exit pupil size.  During low light conditions, that means you will be able to see that much further because the scope, in effect, puts you closer to the target.  More range during twilight.  OHE 
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Ed used a double negative Shocked  which is a positive.  Maybe he should have said "Ain't not, neither, a triple negative which would still be negative; maybe.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Ed used a double negative Shocked  which is a positive.  Maybe he should have said "Ain't not, neither, a triple negative which would still be negative; maybe.
 
only if your using distributive algebras, using analytic geometry isn't a proof, its an example, you could try number or group theory.
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I would ignore the claims of eye box meaning larger exit pupil. The math is quite simple and it is the same regardless of eye box. A 42 mm objective at 6x is giving a 7 mm exit pupil. All scopes that are in that configuration will transmit the same amount of light. The coatings, or the combination there of, will define how well that light can be used by the human eye. The glass used will determine how well the scope can retain contrast, and image clarity.
 
The eye box will determine how forgiving the scope is when viewed off the center axis.
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one thing the swaro is not ahead on is the turrets, I won't mention that they are plastic, and the marks only go part way around, the vx7 has the z6 beat here.  tryed to get a picture of the screw driver mark I made on the turret but does't show up well.
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Ouch!  I hate when that happens.

I like your choice of mounts Dale, keeping the back base out of the ejection port.  I like the low position - good job.  Are those Warne bases and rings?  What's the caliber of the 700 TI?

IMO the biggest advantage of this Swaro over the Leupold is the field of view (75 vs. 38 at low power).  The glass in the VX-7 is darn good.  Maybe the Swaro has better glass - probably does - but even my VX-111's will take me past legal shooting hours (30 minutes after Sunset) where I hunt.  And the VX-7 is noticeably better than VX-111's.  The Leupold feels/looks tough as nails.  Metal turrets seem higher quality.  They're both fine scopes.  If I was hunting anything but dangerous game up close I'd buy the VX-7.


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warne bases and rings,- originally going to get a 280 in a Cooper 52, until their events in the election-- like what remington is doing so got a 280 in a Ti. got the scope to see if it was that good. Best qualities as you mention, and the one I like the most is how it works on low power. However there is a difference on high power between focusing and resolution that is not present in the v7 with the ao. This scope has seen 600 rds over an AR10, 400 over a cooper 6.5 and 600 over a R5 remington . about a year ago got to compare the Diavari, z6, and v7 in a day long shoot, couple of hundred rounds. The v7 are a lot more impressive than the diavari feature for feature (except glass of course), and if turrets/saddle/reticle choice is a deciding factor--- put it up to the swaro.



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Are you saying the Z-6 has better resolution on high power than the VX-7 or the opposite? 

I'd agree with the comments about Zeiss.  I know others will disagree but they feel fragile compared to a VX-7 even though their glass is better.  I love their binos.  
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The resolution is better in the Zeiss, although the VX7 is no slouch.
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in my z6 it is difficult to obtain a sharp focus on the reticle and the central image on high power, also the the euro fast focus developed wobble , grasping between the finger and thumb a noticable movement can be detected, doesn't seem to affect the poi (yes I know the theory). this may not be present in other z6, but if it is, an ao , such as the one in the v7 should offer a better soln.
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