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I am pretty much narrowed to these (with a Conquest 3-9 as a cheaper option held in reserve).  The scopes are the 2 or 3 -10ish versions of these scopes.  I like this range for the versatility.  The scope will live on a light multi-use 375 h&h, with shots being close and far,  hunting and range-time.  In short, I am looking for a lot of versatility, but the scope will need to hold up to some recoil and have excellent eye relief.  So far, it seems to me the HD5 wins on eye relief.

All of these I have looked through at a local store, but I cannot take them outside or into low light.  The best I can do is aim at a distant mounted Moose at the darkest part of the animal in shadow.  For a reticle, I am looking at the B&C, the Z600 and the BRH, as I want something for holdover.  I wish they all had Leica like turrets I could dial if I decide to, but lock them when I am not.

All three scopes have pluses and minuses to my mind.  The Leupold with it's CDS turrets and it's expansive eye view and large eye box,.  The Swaro, the lightest (I like that), it seems very bright, and the hold over marks are most easily seen, for sure.  That was the problem with the Leica I looked at, it was very hard to use against a dark target.  The HD5 seems to have the best eye relief, but it's the heaviest and I have some concerns over it's reticle (and the B&C's) on dark objects.  I was pretty much ready to decide on that scope until I noticed that problem.

So optically, especially in low light, which is the best?  What about those specific reticles in real world low light use?  And which will take the best beating from a 375 over and over?

Does anyone know if you can have Swaro or Zeiss install locking turrets on these scopes?


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Those 3 are all high quality scopes. Optically, it's going to be a toss-up. You may notice subtle differences and your eye may prefer one view over another, but they are all 3 in the same league optically. In terms of mechanical integrity, who knows? Gaining any statistically meaningful data on that would require one to have a bunch of scope failures to eliminate luck being a factor. Any opinions you'd get in that respect will likely be anecdotal, based an a small sample size. The best you can do there is pick a scope from a well-respected brand name with a good warranty and a track record of providing good customer support. In this case, no problem there. All 3 companies will take good care of you should you ever have any issues with your scope.

I would select based on which scope has a feature or features the others don't have that is most important for you. The VX-6 has the locking turrets and has 6:1 zoom ratio. The Z3 is the lightest of the bunch. In addition to the Rapid Z reticle, the HD5 has "LotuTec" hydrophobic lens coating that sheds water very well, excellent for hunting in wet weather.

Regardless of which one you pick, you'll have a fantastic scope that will serve you well.
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My brother has the Z3 3-10x42 with BRH

I was checking it out yesterday..

I am very tempted to get one as it is probably the best overall hunting scope when you factor in cost, glass, weight and reticle.

I have hunted with one last year and the reticle is bold enough to not get lost in very low light.

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Awesome, a couple of Texans to help a fellow Texan out!  Ccoker, I am in Austin as well. 

Anyway, yeah, it's really hard for me to choose as they all have benefits and downsides.  I was just about to declare the Zeiss the winner based on a plex model I was looking through, when I found the actual reticle I wanted and noticed it was kinda hard to see on dark targets. It also requires a conversion to have turrets installed that can be dialed from Kenton, though I wonder if I could get the lockable ones from Zeiss put on.  That would be best as I am not sure about exposed turrets on a hunting rifle.

Other than that, it has a great FOV, and the best eye relief for me, though some significant pin cushioning at 2 power, not that it matters much.  It's also kinda heavy, but it's probably at the far range of manageable.

The Swaro seems very bright, and it's so light and the reticle is the easiest to see, but I don't really like the dots...seems like they would cover up too much at distance and not sure I like how the reticle lines up for my 375 . I also lacks turrets and I don't know if I can get them even if I want them.   But the biggest concern with it is the eye relief.  I had a Swaro Nova many years ago on a 375 and it would hit me now and then.  That really is my biggest concern.  It's also not so wide on the bottom or clear at close range as the others.

The Leupold has good turrets, is the widest and has an expansive view.  But the B&C reticle is about the same as the Zeiss on dark objects, and it seems to have no better eye relief than the Swaro. 

So I was hoping to find some nugget of criticism that seperates these from eachother.  But if they are all equal under low light...have either of you used the B&C of the Rapid z in low light on dark objects?  My testing was under less than real conditions, maybe they would work just fine vs the swaro?
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