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I know I've asked about several scopes.  I'm dying to order a new scope and have been studying them for more hours than I want to admit over the past couple of months.  I know the 4200's are one of the most respected scopes on this forum, but what about the new VX-3's and the Monarchs?  Reliability and holding a zero are on the top of my list followed by low light performance.  I think I'll be happy with the 4200.  I don't mind spending the money for the VX-3 if it is really worth the difference, but don't want to waste the money if it's not.  I just can't find very much information in the way of reviews on the new VX-3's.  I've seen lots of people that love the Monarch's as well.  I'm just not that sure they are as reliable as the other 2.  Anybody got any input?  I'd like to order by tomorrow.

I guess I should add that I'm looking at the 2.5-10x40 in the 4200, the 3.5-10x40 VX-3, and the 3-12x42 Monarch.

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Tom,
 
I won't be much help because I was thinking about starting the same thread tonight.  I'm looking at 6.5-20 or 6x24's to put on my favorite Sendero though.  I've been working for weeks at it.  I own all three just not all in that magnification.  It's a close call.  They all have advantages or disadvantages.  If you're like me you'll like the one you buy and wish you had the others too.  It's a vicious circle.  In the 2.5-10's I'd rank them like this.  VX3, 4200, Monarch.  It depends a little on what you value in a scope.  They'll all be close optically but some are lighter, more dependable, more reticle choices, etc.
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Yeah it's been driving me nuts.  It's just that the new vx-3's are kind of an unknown.  I would have rather had a 4200 than the VX-III when you consider the price difference, but it's entirely possible that they have made the VX-3 much better in low light, like they say and I don't want to miss out on that if they have. 

Some of the new VX-3's features are pretty compelling.  I like the dual springs like are already in a Burris.  If the new glass just makes them as clear as a Zeiss Conquest and they are reliable and track good then they are probably worth the money.
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I guess the most attractive part of the Monarch for me is the price for the features that you get.  I get wow'd by the side focus, etc. even though I'm sure I don't need it.  I just don't know that they are the same in the way of quality and reliability in tracking and holding zero.
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The new VX3's do not have glass as good as a Conquest.  I've handled one in 4.5-14 and tested it next to the VXIII.  In daytime I could see no difference at all.  It's improved but it did not look as crisp as my 4.5-14 Conquest.  The changes to the VX3 are very slight IMO.  It still leads the pack as far as lightweight, dependable, customer service etc.  But the Rainguard on the 4200 is nice too.  VX3 or 4200 and you really can't go wrong.  Nothing wrong with the Monarch either.  I just prefer the other two.  I'm actually leaning toward the Monarch for mine but that's got more to do with reticle, magnification, range, and elevation adjustments.  I've compared on a shooting bench with an eye chart the 4200 and Monarch both 6-24's.  The Monarch a 50mm, the 4200 a 40mm.  For me and the owner of both fine scopes the 4200 was a hands down winner.  Better optically every way you can measure.  Objects looked cleaner, brighter, and we could read smaller letters with the 4200.  Unfortunately the 4200 in 6-24 has only 26" on elevation adjustment and I just want more.  The Monarch's got 34" and fine crosshair which I prefer. 

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4200 is the way to go ,,Optically they are all really close, but the 4200 offers Rainguard and having several-have found them utterly reliable

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Originally posted by martin3175 martin3175 wrote:

4200 is the way to go ,,Optically they are all really close, but the 4200 offers Rainguard and having several-have found them utterly reliable

 
+1   (I'd save myself a few bucks and get the 3-9x40 in the 4200, just my opinion)
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To close to call, all three are that good and equally matched.

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i just cant justify spending that much more money for a leupold when the 4200 is optically the same if not a smidge better and the rainguard is hands down awesome and $450 cheaper in a 6-20 power or 6-24 power range, i cant seem to think leupold is worth that much more in MOI
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I'm sure you won't be dissappointed in either of the 3!  Take the time to view all three and pick the one that fits your eyes the best!   It's time....... just pick one already! 
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Here's my pick.

9419Nikon 2.5-10x50 Monarch 8416, Matte finish, niko plex reticle, 1" tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks, factory reconditioned $575.00 $349.95

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Hard to say! I do feel the new vx3 are an improvement over the vx iii. I believe that all three scopes are great I would pick the one that most fits your needs with things such as rainguard and dual erector springs or eye relief. Take all these things into consideration and pick the one that best fits your needs. Optically they are all close and leupy has the best warranty. After you make your choice then go with it and don't second guess yourself. Trust your insticts. Only you know which certain features will benefit you the most.
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Dunno.  But a Leupold VX-3 just arrived yesterday so when I get home this weekend I'll give them a try, probably on Sunday evening.  I'll compare it to my Zeiss Conquest, both are 50mm scopes. 
 
Another thought, if you're not to picky about reticles then the Nikon and Bushnell are probably more bang for the buck.  In fact, I've been eyeballing the Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 for a 17 HMR for sometime now.  But today, I saw a picture of the 30mm (S/F) 4-16x40 Elite 4200.  Its a darn nice looking scope.  So, thats got me to thinking....
 
One thing about a Leupold, they will change reticles if you want to do that later on.  I have 25 year old VARI X-III (3.5-10x40) which they said the would retrofit the Boone & Crocket reticle to it.  I don't believe anyone else offers that flexability. 
 
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Yeah the nikon and the bushnell are good bang for the buck I have never even put a vx iii on their level but the vx3 optics are about equal and offer some different things. I personally still think the nikon and bushnell are still two of the best values for the money
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I have been a Leupy guy for years.  But recently I bought a used Bushnell 3200 to put on a gun I bought on impluse (never did that before).  Lance at Hendershots really likes the quality on this scope was one of the reasons I tried it.  Now that I have been using it I am really impressed.  I am now looking at buying a second one to put on a 17HMR.  I am really starting to think that the scope quality is really narrowing between the high end at mid range priced scopes.
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My pick is the 4200 , VX3 and last Nikon.The price & rainguard are a strong point.Nikon is now making the Monarchs in the Phillipines and quality has changed from the Japan made Nikons.The new VX3 is a nice scope and customer service is better.
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WELL without a long story out of the choices you have I would go with the ELITE 4200....
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Originally posted by tjtjwdad tjtjwdad wrote:

Dunno.  But a Leupold VX-3 just arrived yesterday so when I get home this weekend I'll give them a try, probably on Sunday evening.  I'll compare it to my Zeiss Conquest, both are 50mm scopes. 
 
Done.  The Zeiss is clearer.
 
Around 6:30 PM or so I took my Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 and my Leupold 8.5-25x50 put both on 8.5 power and looked into a dark wooded area.  The Zeiss was the clearest of the two, hands down.  The Leupold VX-3 was clearer than the Nikon Monarch (6.5-20x44) but, the Nikon's objective was 44mm compared to 50mm for the VX-3.
 
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