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Leopold vx2 3x9 CDS for $299 seems to me a very good deal?? Thoughts?
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id rather pay $249 for the sightron sII big sky 3.5x10 myself.
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Not a fan, better scopes out there glass wise that can have turrets added or will come with them.
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To me, that looks like $50 below the normal 'minimum advertized price.' (or maybe it's a minimum selling price with Leupy)
 
So, if it's a scope you'd like, I'd say buy it.  There's more to being a good rifle scope than just glass, though there's nothing wrong with Leupy's glass.
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Originally posted by MZ5 MZ5 wrote:

To me, that looks like $50 below the normal 'minimum advertized price.' (or maybe it's a minimum selling price with Leupy)
 
So, if it's a scope you'd like, I'd say buy it.  There's more to being a good rifle scope than just glass, though there's nothing wrong with Leupy's glass.

really?? like what?? glass is everything when it comes to a good quality scope.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by MZ5 MZ5 wrote:

To me, that looks like $50 below the normal 'minimum advertized price.' (or maybe it's a minimum selling price with Leupy)
 
So, if it's a scope you'd like, I'd say buy it.  There's more to being a good rifle scope than just glass, though there's nothing wrong with Leupy's glass.

really?? like what?? glass is everything when it comes to a good quality scope.


Not hardly.  FOV, forgiving eye box, durabilitly, repeatable adjustments that hold POI......these are just  a few of the characteristics of a quality scope.  The VX2's are great so far.  Time will tell how well they hold up.  My antelope landowner  put the VX2 3-9x40 on a 25-06.  We fiddled with it for an hour or two while guiding antelope hunters, pegging a few 'yotes.  Lot's to like about it IMO. 


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if you dont have good glass the rest is irrelevant. 
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If it doesn't hold POI, the best glass on the planet is irrelevent too.  
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if you cant see what your shooting at poi dont mean sh*t!
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Any $150+ scope nowadays has good enough glass to kill game with.  Your comment was that good glass was the only criteria.  That's false by anyone's account.  
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Seems like a good deal on a decent scope.

the deal on the Sightron S2BS is way, way better.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Any $150+ scope nowadays has good enough glass to kill game with.  Your comment was that good glass was the only criteria.  That's false by anyone's account.  

glass is the foundation, think of it that way. if your foundation is crap, whats the rest really worth???
my whole point was that there are better options for less money in this case....
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:


really?? like what?? glass is everything when it comes to a good quality scope.


Reminder....here's what you said.....a far cry from "glass is the foundation....."  It's not worth arguing over anyway.  People should buy what the like and use what works best for them.  I can take my neighbor's VXIII and kill anything with it I can kill with a S&B Summit I had.  Looked through them at a 185" buck side by side at dusk.  No problemo. 
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:


really?? like what?? glass is everything when it comes to a good quality scope.


Reminder....here's what you said.....a far cry from "glass is the foundation....."  It's not worth arguing over anyway.  People should buy what the like and use what works best for them.  I can take my neighbor's VXIII and kill anything with it I can kill with a S&B Summit I had.  Looked through them at a 185" buck side by side at dusk.  No problemo. 

i like to fire up the loopy fanatics, i know what i said. and i will agree with you that its not worth arguing over.Roll on Floor Laughing

i still think that glass is the most important part of a scope.


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This subject of glass comes up quite a bit.  People have strong opinions about their optics and what they spend their hard earned money on.  I'm sure they have their reasons just like I do.  After almost 11 years of guiding aoudad, deer, and antelope hunters, here's what I've noticed, and I get to handle lots and lots of optics that the hunters show up with (estimating as honestly as I can):

Riflescopes:
60% use Leupold of some config
30% show up with Swaro something
10% show up wit Zeiss, S&B, and a very few NF's and Bushnell Elite's which are great. 
Never had anyone show up with Sightron, Nikon, Tasco, Vortex,etc

Bino's:
75% Swaro
10% Zeiss
10% Leica
5% Meopta, Leupold, B&L,etc
Never had anyone show up with Nikon, Sightron, Vortex, or anything else I can remember. 

I find this interesting. 

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Obviously I would like to have good glass but, how much "better" is out there? At that price range? My eyes are not what they used to be.
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ive had good luck with every scope ive owned. ive never had any go bad on me. i didnt much like the burris ffII's i had, which is why i got rid of them. i own or have owned several brands, all worked fine. vortex viper, nikon monarch and buckmaster, leupold varix-II leupold m8-12x, bushnell 4200 elite, ior valdada. maybe some day i will be your first to bring a vortex??
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

This subject of glass comes up quite a bit.  People have strong opinions about their optics and what they spend their hard earned money on.  I'm sure they have their reasons just like I do.  After almost 11 years of guiding aoudad, deer, and antelope hunters, here's what I've noticed, and I get to handle lots and lots of optics that the hunters show up with (estimating as honestly as I can):

Riflescopes:
60% use Leupold of some config
30% show up with Swaro something
10% show up wit Zeiss, S&B, and a very few NF's and Bushnell Elite's which are great. 
Never had anyone show up with Sightron, Nikon, Tasco, Vortex,etc

Bino's:
75% Swaro
10% Zeiss
10% Leica
5% Meopta, Leupold, B&L,etc
Never had anyone show up with Nikon, Sightron, Vortex, or anything else I can remember. 

I find this interesting. 

What is the name of the place you guide at?
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Me and my neighbor run it ourselves and only take 10-15 guys per year.  I'm not an advertiser here so I'll leave it at that.  Why do you ask? 
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Just curious.  You offer these numbers and such and put on a front of a professional outfitter.  Just want to see the proof so to speak.  I'm not doubting "you" personally,  I doubt everyone.
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I'm not a professional outfitter.  We both have real jobs.  We guide hunters on the side because we have great properties.  Here's a B&C antelope, one of several, and a big ram, but I obviously won't post 100+ pics.  No offense but I'm not too worried about it if you believe me or not. 


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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

This subject of glass comes up quite a bit.  People have strong opinions about their optics and what they spend their hard earned money on.  I'm sure they have their reasons just like I do.  After almost 11 years of guiding aoudad, deer, and antelope hunters, here's what I've noticed, and I get to handle lots and lots of optics that the hunters show up with (estimating as honestly as I can):

Riflescopes:
60% use Leupold of some config
30% show up with Swaro something
10% show up wit Zeiss, S&B, and a very few NF's and Bushnell Elite's which are great. 
Never had anyone show up with Sightron, Nikon, Tasco, Vortex,etc

Bino's:
75% Swaro
10% Zeiss
10% Leica
5% Meopta, Leupold, B&L,etc
Never had anyone show up with Nikon, Sightron, Vortex, or anything else I can remember. 

I find this interesting. 

 
 
 
That sounds to me like:  Everyone who pays big bucks to go hunting has lots of money. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I think I agree with JG on this, pretty much any scope these days over $150 have decent enough glass.  They are a far cry from the best glass, but in 90% of hunting situations they will work.  Holding POI I would say is the number 1 important part of a scope IMO.  
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