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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/16/2010 at 19:18
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Aimpoint knock off? Goods, bads, uglies?
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And now ... just a little “About Us”

The people at Vortex have been in the optics business since 1986 and we’re one of the few family owned and operated US companies left in the industry. We have a staff of about forty dedicated and hard working people who love to come to work and make great things happen for our customers and dealers. All of our products are designed to our own specifications and inspected and serviced at our modern facility located in central Wisconsin.

Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 06:02
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Vortex is definitely building a reputation of standing behind their product, regardless of the price bracket it falls in. I don't own any of their products, but that's because I can't afford the one I want! 
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 06:17
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i love my viper
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 07:37
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There seems to be a consensus that Vortex offers a lot of scope for the money, and has impeccable customer service.  Most accounts you hear are from people who are surprised at the value they've received, and that their new Vortex product stacks up favorably against competitive models in higher price brackets.  

I've heard of a few people who weren't satisfied with what they'd bought, in every instance, Vortex resolved it to the customer's satisfaction in very short order.

If the truth were to be laid bare, I'd suspect we'd find a bewildering number of brands/models of hunting optics coming out of only a few factories in Japan, the Phillipines, and China.  They'll make whatever you order, and ship it to you.  The difference becomes how the company that orders them goes to market, and supports their customers.  I just really haven't heard anything bad about Vortex.

FWIW, I bought a 2-7 Viper on the recommendation of a dealer, and I have been more than pleased with it.  I've since bought a 4x Crossfire.

Look through a Vortex if you get a chance.  If you like it, buy it - you'll be getting a solid company in addition to a product you like.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 08:06
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I just did a review on a vortex here if you wanna check it out.

http://opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=23434

When i get ready for another scope.  Vortex will be a top pick if they offer what i am looking for simply because of the CS and product you get for the money.  it also helps they have two active members on here that assist any questions, concerns, or problems that comes up and do it fast! 

Not sure of any other brand that has as active a support group than them on here at least.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 17:37
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Never have owned one or handled one until this weekend. Saw a crossfire 2x7 & was very impressed at what a nice scope for $114. I'll definitely have to give them some consideration if I'm shopping in their price range. I could see one of their 6x sitting on my savage 200 .223.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/17/2010 at 22:36
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my 2x7 viper sits on my .375H&H im not scared to use it.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/20/2010 at 18:53
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thanks alot guys. I am looking for a 1x to put on my new Ruger SR556. I was looking at Aimpoint, have used them at work. They are way to pricey for what they are. I will go check out the vortex and if they are as good as yall say they are my SR556 will be wearing one. Thanks for the help guys.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/22/2010 at 08:17
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 Just purchased my first Vortex 6.5-20 x44,this is a very impressive scope @ $399.Went on one of my remmy700,turrets tight,box test excellent,feel & quality very good.Nice to know we still keep American workers working.......Thanks VORTEX

Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/22/2010 at 11:13
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usmc, the aimpoints are not cheap, but they work, and work well.

I had the first generation Vortex red dot (the strikefire) and it crapped out the first time in the field. Sent it in, they promptly replaced it, and I sold the replacement.
Since then, I've bought a pair of Vortex binos, 6X, great binos - and now have the new 20-60x85 Razor spotter, and like it allot.

Vortex is all about Customer Service (at least for now, when the name is new.) 

I like their stuff.  My only experience with their red dots was not great, but it was their first gen.

I own EoTech, Aimpoint, and Trijicon (accupoint, Reflex, and occasionally an ACOG) and like them all for certain things.  I agree Aimpoint is not cheap, but they work - well.

Unless strikefires have been completely redesigned, my guess is that you will more appreciate your aimpoint if you mount a strikefire.  The Aimpoint is more expensive, and IMO worth every penny.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/24/2010 at 18:26
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Background: I own 4 Leupold scopes and have been extremely happy with each of them. I refuse to buy a Chi-Com or Ruskie piece of crap. Nor do I have any intent to enrich them in any way. That said, I have been reading and hearing things about the Vortex scopes. Then, I find out their HQ is about 70 miles from me in Middleton, WI. Today I took a ride out there to check them out. The website said they have a showroom and indeed they do - right in the midst of their corporate office.
 A very nice gentleman comes out of his cubicle and proceeds to show me every scope they make.I got all the info I could think of to ask and he let me take the scopes that got my interest outside to check out in natural light. These scopes were great! I started with the Crossfire and was really impressed by the brightness and clarity from edge to edge in all magnifications. I checked out the Diamondback next and though it even better - equivalent to a Leupold MK II or AR.
 
Then I picked up the Viper and was instantly sold. I fell for the PST 2.5-10 X 44 with the MRAD reticle. I think it every bit as good if not better than my Leupold VX-III AO. And, about $250 less. Try as I mnoght to buy the scope in my hand or any other demo they had but no go. They respect the agreement they have with their  dealers and I can't object to that.
I was given the name and address of a respected retailer a few miles up the road.
 
To make a long story short, I am now the proud owner of the Viper. Can't wait to try it Saturday. I'll keep you posted. Not saying I will never buy a Leupold again but I think there is a viable alternative To SWFA and Leupold.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/24/2010 at 18:46
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 WELCOME to OT,M.
 
  GOOD read about the Vortex company,rep,and product.  I recently bought a Viper 2-7x32 from SWFA to replace my VXIII 1.75-6x32 that had a couple characteristics I didn't like. So far I've not found the Viper to be lacking in any way in what I want out of a low power variable scope.
 
   One part of your post I don't understand though is this:
    "I think there is a viable alternative To SWFA and Leupold."
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/24/2010 at 19:31
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Oh most wise Optics Jedi Knight,
What I was trying to convey is that I want American optics on my American-made DPSM rifle. I would never buy  Chinese or Russian. Nor, will I buy a German scope that costs more than my vehicles. So, with the field narrowed, the only scopes I would have previously considered  would be Leupold or SWFA. Now I have 3 choices. All the best!
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/24/2010 at 19:42
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/24/2010 at 21:53
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Originally posted by Mondo104 Mondo104 wrote:

Oh most wise Optics Jedi Knight,
What I was trying to convey is that I want American optics on my American-made DPSM rifle. I would never buy  Chinese or Russian. Nor, will I buy a German scope that costs more than my vehicles. So, with the field narrowed, the only scopes I would have previously considered  would be Leupold or SWFA. Now I have 3 choices. All the best!

im glad you went to vortex's office, it only confirms what ive experienced on the phone with them, top shelf company imo. i will continue to use  there products.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2010 at 01:04
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Vortex has a new Red dot sight on the market. They call it; SPARC

Been getting good reviews over on ar15.com

http://swfa.com/Vortex-SPARC-Red-Dot-Sights-C2988.aspx
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Here is a link to a SPARC review on ARFCOM

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=488888


Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2010 at 11:59
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I have been impressed with what I have read here and elseware reguarding Vortex, but I have just shipped one back, at my expense, to competitor. I bought the Crossfire 6-24 x 50 AO mildot to mount on an air rifle. I wanted something better than a Hawk or Leapers, but did not want to spend as much as another Leupold or Sightron would cost. The scope came last night, and this morning I checked it out befor mounting it. I focused the retical and then focused the objective at a bird feeder a known 15 yards away at 6 x. I then zoomed to 10 x and the scope was totaly out of focus, I mean colored blobs no detail. I refocused using the objective went up to 11.5 x, way out of focus again. To cut this short the scope would not hold focus while zooming on objects at mesured distanced of 15 and 20 yards. This on a scope rated at 10 yards and up.
 
Ok, the guy got a bad scope, tough, send it back, right ? Now heres what I find interesting. I called competitor for an RMA # and was told they would take the scope back but at my expence because they believed it was functioning correctly.  Ok, the scope is definately going back, so do I ask for a replacement, or my money back. Next I call Vortex and speak to customer service, and describe my problem. I am told thats the way the scope functions. Look I'm not talking about zooming from 6 to 24 and needing to do a sight refocus, I am talking about going from 10 to 11.5 and having to do serious correction. "Thats the way the scope functions." How about, it would take three hands to use his scope, one to hold the rifle and two to work the objective and zoom togerher. Now he's 70% shure the scope is ok but if I send it in they will be happy to replace it. Also it is just a cheap scope and they build much better ones and if I'm willing to spend a couple of grand I can get one I will be realy happy with. Needless to say, I quickly made my decision not to ask for a replacement.
 
When you hang around with air gunners you get to see some $3000 Schmidt & Bender glass and a heck of a lot more $40 no name wonders, but you never see a scope that won't hold something close to correct focus across the zoom range. Or at least not one the company won't admit is defective.
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Call Vortex directly this time, they are great about send a replacement out and then you sending the bad one in. And from now on buy from SWFA (WITH THE LOW PRICE GUARANTEE YOUR CRAZY NOT TO).... They pay for this site, they run this site. they work to make this the best place on the web and they do a good job. 
 
 
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2010 at 14:11
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REREAD my post. I called vortex and was repeatedly told their scopes were suposto be that way, and I just bought a Leupold from SWFA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2010 at 14:57
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Im going to check one out on saturday. If i like it like i think i will, I will Probably order from swfa if i can keep from bringing it home right then.
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Originally posted by mpr1tbr1 mpr1tbr1 wrote:

I have been impressed with what I have read here and elseware reguarding Vortex, but I have just shipped one back, at my expense, to competitor. I bought the Crossfire 6-24 x 50 AO mildot to mount on an air rifle. I wanted something better than a Hawk or Leapers, but did not want to spend as much as another Leupold or Sightron would cost. The scope came last night, and this morning I checked it out befor mounting it. I focused the retical and then focused the objective at a bird feeder a known 15 yards away at 6 x. I then zoomed to 10 x and the scope was totaly out of focus, I mean colored blobs no detail. I refocused using the objective went up to 11.5 x, way out of focus again. To cut this short the scope would not hold focus while zooming on objects at mesured distanced of 15 and 20 yards. This on a scope rated at 10 yards and up.
 
Ok, the guy got a bad scope, tough, send it back, right ? Now heres what I find interesting. I called competitor for an RMA # and was told they would take the scope back but at my expence because they believed it was functioning correctly.  Ok, the scope is definately going back, so do I ask for a replacement, or my money back. Next I call Vortex and speak to customer service, and describe my problem. I am told thats the way the scope functions. Look I'm not talking about zooming from 6 to 24 and needing to do a sight refocus, I am talking about going from 10 to 11.5 and having to do serious correction. "Thats the way the scope functions." How about, it would take three hands to use his scope, one to hold the rifle and two to work the objective and zoom togerher. Now he's 70% shure the scope is ok but if I send it in they will be happy to replace it. Also it is just a cheap scope and they build much better ones and if I'm willing to spend a couple of grand I can get one I will be realy happy with. Needless to say, I quickly made my decision not to ask for a replacement.
 
When you hang around with air gunners you get to see some $3000 Schmidt & Bender glass and a heck of a lot more $40 no name wonders, but you never see a scope that won't hold something close to correct focus across the zoom range. Or at least not one the company won't admit is defective.
 
Even though that scope is parallax adjustable from 10 yards up, focus becomes very critical at such short distances at relatively high magnification, especially on a 6-24X50 scope, which truly isn't designed for shooting at 15 yards.  You will have to adjust focus more when increasing magnification at super close range; that's just the way it is. 
 
Please read forum rule #3.  The forum software auto substitutes names of competitors with the word "competitor."  You agreed to the rules when you registered your user account on  this site.  This site is owned and operated by SWFA, so it's bad form to mention competing optics retailers on SWFA's site they provide for our use, even if the forum software automatically filters the name of the retailer.
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Ted, you are absolutely right that I should not have mentioned a competers name in my post. My purpose was to show their lack of understanding and their unhelpfull attatude.
 
In reguard to your first comment, I must STRONGLY DISAGREE. When a manufacture/vender publishes a specification such as 10 yards to infinity I believe the buyer has absolute right to exspect the scope to correctly preform all normal functions with within the range of peramiters the manufacture has set. If we can not relie on a manufactures published specifications, then we can only safely buy in a brick and morter store, and companies like SWFA, that provide a great service must loose, and we as consumers must also loose. An attatude like "that's just the way it is.", doesen't help. We must hold manufactuers to account, and venders to account also. A man who repeats a lie is a fool, a man who knowingly repeats a lie is a d----d liar himself. Now I am telling you that I talked to a man at Vertex this morning that told me, repetedly, that their published specification for this ONE scope was worthless. As for your arguement that it was not designed to be used at at 15 yards or 20 yards, where was it designed to be used? Only use from 50 yards? Only from 75? I must have missed that on their website.
 
Other companies build both cheaper and more exspensive scopes, in the 6-24 range, and greater, that function correctly from 10 yards out, and SWFA sells them. They advertize paralax ajustable from 10 yards out and they deliver what they advertize, with full functionality. I was looking for better quality, at a resonable price, as comments on this site and others had lead me to exspect. I diden't find it, I guess "that's just the way it is.". 
 
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