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I have been reading good things about these vortex scopes and I have been thinking about cashing in on the major rebate that SWFA has on them. Specifically there are two I am looking at:



I had a couple questions for you guys to weigh in on/cast your vote. First with a 50mm objective can you use medium burris signature rings with a standard contour barrel? Also this rifle is going to be a hunter, not a range queen, does anybody find the 50mm makes the rifle heavy/bulky/akward and cause bad shooting positions. As in lifting your head off the stock for a better view through the scope. Is there enough extra light transmission at those critical twilight hours to make up for those negatives?

Also how does the vortex viper compare optically to the bushnell 4200 elite 3-9x40? I can get one of those for the same price and that is what I was originally looking at. Also I was considering just going cheap and getting burris ff2, is the vortex leaps and bounds over the ff2 series, like $180 worth better?

My last question is turret adjustments... Since I am looking at plex reticles with no hold over I want finger adjustable turrets, that have positive clicks. Does the bushnell have finger adjustable clicks that are audible and easy to use in the field? Are the vortex viper turrets better? 

So finally: Bushnell Elite 4200 or Vortex Viper?
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optically they are pretty comparable, the bushnell will have rainguard.. which i may say kicks ass. i have a 2x7 viper and a 3x9 4200... luv em both. vortex cs is first class if you ever needed it, bushnell is so-so at best.

turrets, i myself prefer the vortex ones, they are more like nikons in the fact that they are huge knobs. the 4200's are very small. both are positive and audible clicks.
at 10-12x im not sure 50mm is worth the higher rings or  the extra cost. depending on your rifle im willing to guess the you will need high rings to fit a 50mm scope. i used mediums on my 4200 because with low's the scope covers wouldnt fit between the scope and the barrel.

is it $180 better than burris ffII??? i would say so.

finally: tough call, if you hunt in wet weather bushnell is great. my viper came with see through scope covers though, and i feel thats a reasonable solution as well. if eye relief is an issue i would steer clear of the 3x9 4200 3.3" isnt much. that being said the viper isnt much better, either of them. both are very tough scopes, my 4200 so far has survived my .375H&H as well as my .300wby the vortex is currently on my .375H&H and is doing fine.




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If your comparing the Viper 3.5-10x50, I doubt its 180 more then the burris since its on  sale for 239 bucks....  I bought a Viper 6.5-20x50, nice clear optics, hard to tell apart from my elite 6-24x40.  Both are side focus.  I keep wanting to get one of the 2-7s but keep telling myself to just spend the darn 600 bucks  and get the 3-9 SS everyone raves about....
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Originally posted by JLud JLud wrote:

If your comparing the Viper 3.5-10x50, I doubt its 180 more then the burris since its on  sale for 239 bucks....  I bought a Viper 6.5-20x50, nice clear optics, hard to tell apart from my elite 6-24x40.  Both are side focus.  I keep wanting to get one of the 2-7s but keep telling myself to just spend the darn 600 bucks  and get the 3-9 SS everyone raves about....
Theres a reason we all rave about it.  Wink
 
The Vortex vs the bushy is a close comparison glass wise, IMO.  I think the mere fact that Vortex will give you best service for any reason is the edge here.  Yes the rainguard on the Elites is nice its nothing scope covers don't do as well.
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I own the Viper 6.5-20x50 & Elite 6500 2.5-16x44,for hunting & all around shooting I pick the Bushy.Also ,I might give the edge as far as glass goes to the 6500.
 
As far as feel goes I like the Vortex.as stated above I too like the Vortex turrets better & I know the CS with Vortex is much better than bushy.
 
Tough decision,but you can't go wrong with either!
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A hunters perspective. 

Go with the smaller objective. I like the big bells on target rifles but in the field they are heavier, catch on briars and vines, and are sometimes harder to manipulate into a shooting position inside a stand or blind. 

Just my .02


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My hunting rifles all have at least a 50mm Obj. One has a 56mm. I have had zero problems with them snagging on anything that any scope wouldn't snag on anyways. The extra obj size lends toward a larger exit pupil for low light, which can be useful for the application. I have never had a larger obj ever give me problems from a ground blind or from any stand, be it climbing or lock on. The one thing could be the larger lens surface area may increase the risk of scope flash which can spook prey. Be wary of this, and everything else is a wash.
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I need to hunt more with Cyborg, sounds like I'm not doing it right. Wink  "j/k Cyborg, not that I wouldn't happily go along on a hunt with ya"

Really does make a difference what type of terrain you hunt and such. Having gear that is functional and that you trust is what's important. I'm sure I've let a few animals go I could have taken had I had a little better low light vision, but I've also stalked a big horn for over 7 hours in rough terrain and sure was glad I didn't have any extra weight to tote along with me. If you're walking a 1/4 mile or so into the woods and hunting out of a well designed stand the extra wt is a moot point and the extra glass is a plus. Buy what is right for what you do now and if you change tactics change gear if you see a need. 



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To add to question about the larger 50mm objectives... I have heard that you really have to step up to a 30mm scope tube in order to get the full benefit of a 50mm objective. Some people have said that without the 30mm tube the difference between the two is negligible.

I am leaning toward the Vortex just because of the turrets. The reset is nice and eventually I could get a custom turret for my load if I wanted to. 

Although Rain-guard is definitely a plus for the Bushnell. This past season I had a freak out moment when I came out of the house and looked through my scope on a hot foggy morning. The whole thing was a cloud of fog, after I wiped the lenses I realized it was just on the outside. The rain-guard would help alleviate that, I am not sure that scope caps, as somebody else suggested, actually would. I thought you could get RAIN-X type wipes from Nikon and use them on any scope anyway. Anybody ever used the stuff?
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From what I've learned the main difference between the 30mm[European] tube & the 1" is horizontal & elavation turrets each have thier own leaf spring for adjustment,while the 1" has only 1 spring to operate both turret adjustments!
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

From what I've learned the main difference between the 30mm[European] tube & the 1" is horizontal & elavation turrets each have thier own leaf spring for adjustment,while the 1" has only 1 spring to operate both turret adjustments!

some say the 30mm tube is a little stronger too.
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Originally posted by neilbilly neilbilly wrote:

I need to hunt more with Cyborg, sounds like I'm not doing it right. Wink  "j/k Cyborg, not that I wouldn't happily go along on a hunt with ya"

Really does make a difference what type of terrain you hunt and such. Having gear that is functional and that you trust is what's important. I'm sure I've let a few animals go I could have taken had I had a little better low light vision, but I've also stalked a big horn for over 7 hours in rough terrain and sure was glad I didn't have any extra weight to tote along with me. If you're walking a 1/4 mile or so into the woods and hunting out of a well designed stand the extra wt is a moot point and the extra glass is a plus. Buy what is right for what you do now and if you change tactics change gear if you see a need. 



Absolutely. I walk from an average of 1/8 up to 2 miles into the woods depending on where I am hunting. The gear can be a drag for sure. Dragged one big doe out a few years ago from a WMA. I was 1.5 miles into the woods, thought I was gonna have me a heart attack. I doubt though that a lighter scope would have made any difference. I generally don't mind the heavier weapons, maybe from carrying an M16 all those years my mindset could be a bit skewed. I do my best to travel with only the necessities on those longer hikes in. The rifle scope combo is a necessity. Those deep and dark pine forests with heavy overhead, the added exit pupil can be the difference. If I hunted primarily open fields with longer hikes I could see the option of a smaller objective. The additional light available during legal hunting hours in that scenario makes the added size less of a need. There's a swamp bottom I used to hunt, that I never carried a rifle with a scope at all. Just a good old 35 lever action Marlin. Used to get there via canoe. I miss that land.
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Originally posted by andoerin andoerin wrote:

To add to question about the larger 50mm objectives... I have heard that you really have to step up to a 30mm scope tube in order to get the full benefit of a 50mm objective. Some people have said that without the 30mm tube the difference between the two is negligible.

I am leaning toward the Vortex just because of the turrets. The reset is nice and eventually I could get a custom turret for my load if I wanted to. 

Although Rain-guard is definitely a plus for the Bushnell. This past season I had a freak out moment when I came out of the house and looked through my scope on a hot foggy morning. The whole thing was a cloud of fog, after I wiped the lenses I realized it was just on the outside. The rain-guard would help alleviate that, I am not sure that scope caps, as somebody else suggested, actually would. I thought you could get RAIN-X type wipes from Nikon and use them on any scope anyway. Anybody ever used the stuff?
I do use the Nikon wipes. They work as advertised. They also clean the lenses too. Good stuff. About the 30 mm vs 1 inch tubes. The tube will have no bearing at all on light transmission, that is all glass and coatings. The 30mm tube offers a stronger scope body and usually more elevation/windage adjustment.
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