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Hello all new here and would just like to say thanks for having me :)

I currently have a S&W M&P 15-22 and am looking for a scope to mount to it. I mainly bench shoot and would like a variable power scope for my setup.

The 2 scopes I found are currently on sale at SWFA, They are...

Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50
http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Crossfire-Rifle-Scope-P43585.aspx

BSA 6-24x44
http://swfa.com/BSA-6-24x44-Stealth-Tactical-Riflescope-P50670.aspx

As you can see I'd like something high powered and don't want to spend a ton of money on my first scope lol.

Currently I think I have maxed out my iron sights at 100 yards (Hit 24 out of 25 shots on an 8inch target). I'd like the scope to work on accuracy, I won't be using it in low light conditions and like I said I only bench shot with it as of now.

On a side note I think I'll be buying a bipod also when I order the scope since my current front rest is a box of ammo with my buddies old front rest sitting on top of it lol. (Needed the box of ammo for mag clearance since he was shooting a CZ .22)


Any help/opinions would be great. 

Thanks in advance Big Grin
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Get the vortex. Don't even bother with the bsa.
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I have the Vortex and I have been happy with it. It has held up well on a heavy recoiling spring powered air gun, too. The mil-dot is useable for most of my hunting purposes and the adjustments have stayed put.


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How long have you had it and how many rounds have you put on your rifle with it mounted?
 
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I have the Vortex and I have been happy with it. It has held up well on a heavy recoiling spring powered air gun, too. The mil-dot is useable for most of my hunting purposes and the adjustments have stayed put.




Good to know everyone is saying Vortex since that is who I have been leaning more towards anyway. More input is more then welcome guys.
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Vortex by far imo. No way I'd go with a BSA. I think Simmons has some decent scopes like the White Tail Classic in that price range. However, the advantage to the Vortex, is at least when it breaks, and I say when, not if, Vortex will take care of you.

IMO I think you'd be far better off to spend a little extra to step up to something a little nicer. High magnification and cheap prices don't seem to go together as much as I'd like them to.

Another option that seems decent, but doesn't have great glass, but like I said decent is the Center Point 4-16x40. They seem to hold up fairly well, and the one I've reviewed tracked nearly perfectly, and the glass was certainly useable, it just wasn't anything to write home about.
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Personally, I'd opt for a little lower power, and better glass than higher power and lesser glass. I have a high power cheap scope, and a lesser powered nice scope, and I'll take the clarity of good glass over high powered cloudy haze any day.
 
There are some excellent deals on samplelist.com right now too. Like this offering from Minox.
SPL14431 Minox 3-9x40 ZA3 Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view 66001, Matte, BDC, 1"
$249.95
Or this Sightron
SPL13775 Sightron 3-9x42 SII Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SII39X42, Matte, Plex, 1"
$179.95
If high magnification, and low price is what you are really looking for, and clarity isn't, then by all means buy the Vortex. I have a high powered BSA, and at 18x, it's so cloudy, and hazy I can't stand to look through it. I can see more through my cheap Nikon team primos at 9x than I can though the haze of the BSA at 18x. I bought that scope in this price range as well. Unfortunately, the only one I could find was sold. I wish I'd looked for something else at the time. I don't have much good to say about  my BSA. Vortex makes some nice scopes though.
SPL14975 Nikon 3-9x40 Team Primos Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SOLD 8435, Matte, BDC, 1"
$149.95
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Well you guys seem to know way more then I do and I would hope so since I have yet to buy a scope lol.

I'd like to try to get the best bang for my buck for my first scope. It would actually help out a TON if you guys could tell me what are some good brands and which brands I should stay away from in the $100 - $300 range.

I was looking at the SWFA SS 20X since I seem to have read so many good things about SWFA but I'm worried that 20x would be too much should I decide to shoot at anything less then 100 yards.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-20x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P502.aspx

Technically I can spend more but I REALLY do not want to spend more on the scope then I paid for the rifle which was 300 lol.

Good and bad brand in my price range would be great though since I didn't even know Minox was a decent brand.

Thanks soooo much for the help guys.
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the 16X supersniper would be a good fit IMO only if its purely a bench
 
If you wanna plink with it too and really get more use out of it.  the Super sniper 6X would be my choice.  Its a 22 in an AR platform that ain't known for accuracy so IMO no need for ubber magnification on it.  6X would still allow some paper shooting fun and would be more fun shooting things like empty bottles, clay pigeons, and such because it would be so much easier to get on target with 6x versus more.
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+2 on the Minox,best glass of all the above & they have a $50 rebate program going on till 12/31/2011 on any new scopes purchased.Minox is also built in the USA using German glass!
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It's only bench right now, I currently don't have anywhere else to shoot except the state park range. I am hoping to get into a club in my area soon though, they have like 8 ranges that range from 50 yards to 600 yards which will be nice. As far as the accuracy goes that is what I have been hearing from pretty much everyone but since it's what I have I'd like to push it to the max of it's capabilities and then upgrade to a different rifle.

Not sure if this will help you guys to help me or not but I also have a Rock River AR15 that I may move the scope to at some point if I get bored of the .22 or I just want to go to longer range. I also plan on buying an Armalite AR10 SUPERSASS in the next 6 months or so, when I get that I am thinking about getting the 5 - 20x SWFA SS to put on it.

Again thanks for all the input I really appreciate it.


 
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

the 16X supersniper would be a good fit IMO only if its purely a bench
 
If you wanna plink with it too and really get more use out of it.  the Super sniper 6X would be my choice.  Its a 22 in an AR platform that ain't known for accuracy so IMO no need for ubber magnification on it.  6X would still allow some paper shooting fun and would be more fun shooting things like empty bottles, clay pigeons, and such because it would be so much easier to get on target with 6x versus more.
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I"d still stick to the 6X SuperSniper.  Even moving it to the RR AR youre only going to get so much accuracy out of it unless its been worked over.  the 6x SS will let you ring steel at 600yds easy with it on a 223 but after that the 223 peters out to much to worry with and your not going to be shooting for groups at that range anyway. 
 
Another issue with higher up magnification is the view through the reticle.  Every minor movement you will see reflected in the crosshairs.  I had a 16X supersniper for a while, great scope and didnt suffer from that as bad as higher up but on anything above about 15-16X i can literally see the pulse of my heartbeat move the reticle a slight bit if i don't control my breathing just perfect.  Mentally seeing the reticle sway on higher up messes me up more than seeing a still reticle with no so much magnification.... that make sense? 
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I agree with SVT on the 6X SS recommendiation, but if you want a little higher power, just bump up to the 10X SS.  I have used the 6x and 10x SS scopes on rimfires, and they were both excellent in that role, and just about any other role.
High powered, low optical quality scopes are counterproductive for just about any use.
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I think for me the biggest drawback of the SS is that I really would much rather have a variable power scope, guess I'll keep looking and researching.

Thanks for the input guys, just wish I could find a site out there with a good list on what brands are good and what to stay away from.
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A little dated, but a pretty good guide still to this day.
 
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