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    Posted: July/30/2016 at 07:43

Does anyone have any info on the new release of the Vortex Razor HD spotting scope?  I see that they've now updated their website, and beside a color change and heli focus, I wonder what the differences are performance wise?  I also noticed the 65mm is 56 ounces compared to the prior model of 49 ounces.

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A guess would be that since Vortex discontinued all of the eyepieces for the old Razor there will be a change in the eyepiece mounting to the point where the old eyepiece will no longer fit. The Razor design allowed the Swarovski eyepiece to fit on the Razor bayonet . There could have been a design infringement complaint from Swarovski. Just a WAG.
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Wait, I can use Swaro eyepieces on my Razor HD spotter?
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Not sure if the loss in magnification range is good though - its gone from a 20-60x (3x zoom) to a 27-60x....

If the new eyepiece is a Wide angle, that could be good but otherwise eyepiece wise, the new magnification doesn't appear as useful as the previous one...

RANCID - Yes you can use Swaro eyepieces on your Razor spotter (the older version anyway). Here's a pic of the Swaro 25-50x eyepiece on the Vortex Razor 85mm.



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The new eyepiece is indeed wide angle.

I'll have one here on Monday, so I'll know more at that point.

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Ilya, 

I'm interested in reading your comments on this one.....

Incidentally, for anyone who cares, Zeiss have also brought out a new Spotter - Zeiss Conquest Gavia.

Meant to be sit in a lower price brackets to the Victory Diascope range so it might go head to head in terms of price with the Vortex.



Historically, Vortex's big advantage has been its price compared with the big 3 European houses and Nikon...

If the new Conquest spotter is priced competitively to the Vortex Razor, it'll be interesting to see if this impacts Razor sales.

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Don't forget the newish meopta meopro spotters.  They are fantastic as well, and also in this "getting crowded" $1500 price range.   Lot's of good choices nowadays for quality optics. 
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The new Vortex spotter dies not have any markings on the country of origin other Thanh saying Assembled in the US.

I took a brief look yesterday and it seems like any exceptionally nice eyepiece. My first impressions of the image are very positive.

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"assembled in the US" is be a big change for Vortex.

Their early Razor scopes (and Razor lineup in general) had a "made in Japan" label which was replaced by "made in china". The latter is what my 85mm Razor has on the foot.

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I asked and the new spotters have components sourced from Japan with assembly done in the US.

My best guess is that the US assembly allows them to have more control of alignment tolerances and other QC factors.

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Hey. Brand new to the forum. Can anyone say if there is any change to the actual optics between last years model and the brand new model?? I'm looking at getting the 65mm but cant see paying the extra bills for the new design unless there is a change in viewing quality.. thanks a bunch for the input.
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It is a completely new design.

Everything is different.  How much better it is, I can not yet say with any certainty, but it looks pretty impressive based on a brief look I have had.  I like the new eyepiece.

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Earlier this year I bought a Viper Spotting Scope, then sold it to a friend because I don't like the angled style and wanted straight.
I ordered a straight version of the Razor and during shipment found out about the new version.
I immediately swapped it out and sent it back the day it arrived.

I'm now waiting on this one and looking forward to it.....
(I also upgraded to the Carbon-Summit Tripod which is really nice!)


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As a follow up.....and in the sake of full disclosure.....
I don't know much about glass.....but I just purchased a set of Razor Binoculars and think they are really great.....INCLUDING the look & feel.
(Kind of wanted them to match Embarrased )

Plus I have 3 Razor Gen-II Rifle Scopes in 1~6 and 3~18.....

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And another thing....
Despite the fact I bought the new/straight 27~60x85, I really wanted to buy the slimmer, less powerful model in 22~48x65.....
Very cool and portable and will cover 90% of my shooting......but got nervous at the last second and bought the larger one.

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I pulled the trigger today on the medium Razor 22~48x65 today.....
It was driving me crazy, but I actually think I'll use it more than the larger one.
I also bought this car-window mount.....


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I know a guy who uses one of those, with a v-yoke gun mount, to shoot coyotes from his truck.  
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Any updates on reviews on this spotter?  Other than weight, it looks pretty good.  56.8 ounces for a 65mm is a bit heavy for hunting applications.
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Originally posted by muleymaddness muleymaddness wrote:

Any updates on reviews on this spotter?  Other than weight, it looks pretty good.  56.8 ounces for a 65mm is a bit heavy for hunting applications.

I have been playing with it for a little bit now and I do not like the soft case that comes with it.  It is difficult to use with the helicoid focus wheel.

Aside from that, the spotter is absolutely superb.  Image quality is outstanding for this price range and the new eyepiece is very well designed.  Most wide angle eyepieces out there are of the 35x to 50x variety.  This one is a 22x to 48x and while it does not sound like much difference, I like having a little less magnification on the low end.  I have a lot of experience with Pentax 65mm spotters and with the original 65mm Razor HD.  The new Razor is noticeably better.  It goes head to head with 1st tier spotters and, I think, hangs with them pretty well.  I have spent a lto of time with Leica APO Televid 65mm with the 25-50x eyepiece.  I think the Leica is a bit better above 40x, but below 40x, the Vortex can easily hang with the Leica.  

I'll be doing a few more comparisons over the next month or two, but for now I am extremely impressed.  So much so, that barring something unexpected in a couple of future tests I have planned, I fully expect to buy this spotter from Vortex when I am done.

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Excellent!  Thanks for the short write-up.


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The previous generation Vortex Razor spotter was made in China.  How was Vortex able to move assembly here to the USA, while cutting the price and improving quality?  That's tough to do.   

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It's probably due to Vortex moving a lot of manufacturing back to the the USA! The new new line of Razor AMG, not to mention the Gen2 is taken apart and re-assembled with different internals. Vortex is growing abs providing American jobs!
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Hey, I think it's great.  Just wondering how moving production from China to USA allowed the price decrease?   I remember some of the Swaro bashers, when Swaro re-introduced a less expensive SLC HD, started wondering what corners were cut.  
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I'm a little disappointed. I recently bought the 20-60x65 razor spotter in May. About a month later the newer version has come out. Should I try and sell my older version or isnt it that big of a deal? I use it for hunting in the fall and messing around with a little during the rest of the year.
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