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nodule
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Posted: May/30/2010 at 17:29 |
I have read several reviews stating that the Vortex Razor is extremely overrated for its price
and the bino has significant chromatic aberration. Yet so many folks on this forum really seem to love them. Has anyone here detected excessive CA with this bino? As I am researching mid/high end 10 x 42 models, the Razor is on my short list to demo and im wondering if it worth it to check out? Im looking at...... Vortez Razor 10 x 42 Pentax DCF SP 10 x 43 Leupold Golden Ring 10 x42? I would appreciate any thoughts! |
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NDhunter
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I do not have any experience with the Vortex, but have not heard about reviews as you
have suggested. Your post seems to condemn them for CA, but where is your proof?
What reviews are you referring to?
They seem to be well rated in the mid level optic area. As a new poster, you need to be careful when you start posting negative, on any optic, your first sentence seems a bit bold!
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Nodule,
I have looked through several Razors (10X42, 8X42, 10X50) and find them to be excellent optical performers. One characteristic of all three models was the noticeable LACK of chromatic aberration. Another value 10X42 with exceptional CA control is the Zen Ray ZEN ED. BTW, I don't find your first sentence too bold, you only reference the opinions of others that you have read. If you are looking for good optics advice, you are in the right place. The gurus on Optics Talk have saved me plenty of wasted time and money. Good luck on your search for a good 10X42! FWIW, I will soon be ordering a Razor HD spotting scope (from SWFA), and may well look into a matching set of bins before this hunting season. Vortex is a great company that makes a great product. |
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-Matt
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nodule
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NDHunter,
My first sentence seems "cold". You're kidding, right?? I am posting comments about binoculars!! The website where you can find this review is allbinos.com. If you really feel my comment was "cold", just read this gentlemen's review. All the best.... |
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JGRaider
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As a veteran poster ND, you need to be careful and not post things like "alpha glass has a better warranty than anybody else" BS as you've done before, which is a blatant lie. This man is posting what he heard/read and was wanting clarification, that's all. You may want to think of that before you start throwing stones. NDHunter said "You are right here. There is a reason the top end optics do cost more, they have better glass and warranty. You do find the boosters here for some of the others. But it really does come down to what you what you want to spend and your satisfaction." Edited by JGRaider - May/31/2010 at 08:49 |
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RifleDude
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Easy, gents! No need for drama. JGRaider, why are you unnecessarily
dragging past disagreements into this thread and condemning alleged
comments that were never made in this discussion? Are you actually
arguing with someone over statements you anticipate he might
say? If you have a disagreement with another member, please confine it
to the actual discussion where it occurred so it doesn't muddy up this
one. Also, don't you think inferring someone is telling lies goes
beyond merely "throwing stones" and into the "throwing boulders"
category?
Nodule, you state you read "several reviews" yet later say you read a "review" at allbinos.com. Have you read other reviews with the same comments? Overwhelmingly, the reviews I've read had the opposite comments about the Razor and CA. I own a Razor 8X42, and I've found CA to be almost nonexistent. Its lack of CA is one of its best qualities. In fact, my particular sample actually has less noticeable CA than other binoculars I tested at twice the price. Based on other Razors I've seen, I can only conclude the reviewer either has much more sensitive eyes than I do or he got a bad sample. However, he does rate the binocular high overall, and I see nowhere that he said he thought they were "overrated." I think that added description is what ND objected to. It is worth noting that apparently he only reviewed the 10X42 version of the Razor. I read several of the allbinos.com reviews, including the Razor 10X42 review, and I find a few things noteworthy. First of all, the information is dated, because several binoculars were reviewed that are no longer manufactured. Apparently they only reviewed 10X42 and 8X56 binoculars (with a couple other random configs added in), which I find very odd, since 8X42 is one of the most popular configs, certainly more popular than 8X56. The information on the Razor is dated, as it no longer has silver coated prisms, but instead now has dielectric prism coatings. The reviewer gave a higher CA correction score to the Kahles 10X42 than it did to the Razor. I happen to own the Kahles 10X42 as well, and I can tell you without a doubt it has very prominent yellow and purplish CA, much more pronounced than the Razor... in my samples. Finally, the reviews themselves are very lacking in information. I find it curious that they apparently didn't evaluate resolution and contrast -- two of the most important optical qualities in a binocular. As far as reviews in general are concerned, there is enough subjectivity and unit to unit variation involved that you will never find unanimous agreement on any optic. However, if you read enough reviews and talk to enough users, you will generally get a good idea of how a particular optic stacks up. The Razor is very good, and is a worthy representative sample of the "upper mid" level binoculars, which includes some good company. I feel pretty certain if you did buy one you'd be very happy with it. If you weren't, I also feel certain that if you bought them from our host (SWFA), they would exchange them for another binocular to make you happy with your purchase. Edited by RifleDude - May/31/2010 at 10:01 |
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nodule
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RifleDude,
I understand and thanks for the clarification. I was just seeking other folk's opinions, thats all, the Razors are still on my list to test. Also, there was another negative review on the Razors but Icant remember what site that was on. I will search for it again. And I really dont think there is no need to get defensive on this subject, Im mean after all, we are ONLY talking about binoculars, NOT our children! Thanks |
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3_tens
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Sad part is I treat my 4X42 Vortex Razors better than I would my children. They treat me better than my children treat me too. The Razors have never let me down.
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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.
Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow Now the rules have changed again. |
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JGRaider
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Rifle, ND doesn't need to criticize anyone when he does in fact lie from time to time. I posted where he last did it. You can be politically correct if you want to, but when someone misrepresents the facts I call it a lie. I didn't think what I said to ND had anything to do with you, with all due respect.
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RifleDude
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Raider, I thought your comments were unprovoked and un-called for, and I'm a moderator on this forum, so it did in fact have everything to do with me. It's not a matter of being "politically correct," it's a matter of being civil and on topic, as well as adhering to the standards we have here and are expected to abide by. I don't see anywhere in this thread where facts were misrepresented. The quote you posted seemed to be ND speaking in general, not about any specific brands. Additionally that quote is partially a matter of opinion, so I don't see how you could call that a "lie." If one person holds an opinion and another disagrees with that opinion, it doesn't mean either is lying, just that they disagree. There's nothing wrong with disagreement, but calling into question another member's character has no place here, and you are out of line, sir. Consider this a warning. See forum rule #2. Edited by RifleDude - May/31/2010 at 16:40 |
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nodule
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Thanks...
I will be ordering 3 binoculars to test out and I will be keeping just one. They will be Vortez Razor 10 x 42, Leupold Golden Ring 10 x 42 and the Pentax DCF SP 10 x 43. |
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RifleDude
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Be sure and post your thoughts on each binocular when you finish your comparison and decide which one you prefer, nodule.
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Ted
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nodule
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I certainly will, RifleDude. Thanks.
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JGRaider
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I guess I thought service issues were subjective and therefore subject to opinion, whereas what the actual warranty is is very much black and white and not subject to opinion. Sorry, I guess I was wrong.
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Rancid Coolaid
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I skipped over everything posted to answer the original poster.
I have a Razor spotter and 6x32 binos, both are superb. Spotter has no CA, nor do the binos (though 6X with CA would be especially terrible.) If you don't like them, Vortex seems very. very customer focused. |
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nodule
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Thanks......
I will be ordering the razor 10 x 42, along with 2 others, to test and compare. |
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tahqua
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My friend bought a pair of the 8x42 Razors based on the opinions here. I have used them next to my 7x42 Zeiss and think that the Razor is a fine glass for the money.
I noticed no CA either. The adjustable eye cups are easy to use for us folks that wear glasses, too.
Doug
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nodule
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Thanks....sound like the razors may work for me.
I will be comparing the Razor to the Pentax DCF SP and the Leupold Golden Ring 10 x 42. |
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RifleDude
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The point is, your comments, specifically in implying another member is a liar, are not appropriate here or pertinent to this thread. Secondly, the quote you copied was a generality and does not specify any particular brand, so it might be applicable in most cases even if not in some specific comparison. Regardless, calling someone a liar, especially unprovoked, isn't appropriate anywhere on OT, and is a violation of the rules you agreed to when you registered your account. There will be no further discussion of this matter, so don't bother replying.
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Ted
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koshkin
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I couple of comments:
-I have looked at a number of Vortex binoculars and posted reviews on several of them. My results were different from the review you have seen. That having been said, I never reviewed a 10x42. -CA has generally been well controlled in the Razor binos, so that is an odd remark. However, there are always sample-to-sample variations. -New dielectric prism coating DO make a difference Here are the links to some of my reviews in Vortex binos: ILya |
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