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I'm looking for an optic for a LMT 308MWS
 
This will be my first "distance" gun and I'm trying to find the right optic.  I think I have it narrowed down to the ss3-9, vortex pst 2.5-10, and vortex pst ffp 4-16.  I think if the vortex pst 2.5-10 came in ffp or the ss3-9 had an illuminated reticle, my decision would be easier, but it doesn't so here I am.  The rifle will be used for some competitions/tactical use.  I will attempt to shoot out to 1000yds as I have the range ability to do so, but that won't be the rifle's main duty.  The rifle will also be used for lowlight hunting(hogs, coyotes, etc).  I like that the vortex have zero stops and illuminated reticles, but the SS gets great reviews too.  Any reccomendations?
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rlarge10,  Welcome to the forum!

I went throught the same decision a few months ago for a scope for my AR-15.  I REALLY wanted the Vortex 2.5x10......... Then, delay after delay kept them from shipping.  I decided I could wait no longer and went with the SS 3x9.
 
So far I have absolutely no regrets.  This is my first FFP scope, but will not be my last.  I agree that if the Vortex 2.5x10 had FFP, I'd have gone that direction.  Hind sight being 20/20, I'm confident that I made the right decsion for my uses.  Sure zero stop would be nice, as would illumination - those would be bonuses for me.  The FFP feature, well I just love it.  The only way I'd go back to a SFP scope would be to put one on a .22 LR plinker.  FFP just seemed to click in my head.  I like it, it's easy for me to use, and any scope I buy from here on out WILL have it.  Just having one less thing to think about - my reticle always being correct for ranging or hold overs carries more weight than zero stop or lit reticle. 
 
If you are going to be ranging at various distances, the FFP gets points as you can do so at any power.  With the Vortex, you'll have to be at max. power with your reticle if you wish to range accurately.
 
Like I said, the zero stop would be a nice bonus, but so far I've only shot my AR a couple hundred yds, so I'm not spinning my turrets that far.  Lack of zero stop has not been an issue for me.
 
Illumination - have never had the pleasure of using it, so I don't really know if I need it.  I don't do alot of low light shooting yet, but I have shot getting close to dark.  I'd venture to say that I could clearly take a shot past legal shooting times with the SS.
 
My vote would be to go with the SS, unless you put more value on zero stops and illumination.  If you want more, look at the IOR 2.5x10 or 3x18.  Over the $1000 mark, but you'll get Mil/Mil FFP, illumination and the awesome IOR MP-8 reticle.
 
If you have some time to wait, there is the rumor out there that SWFA is going to add another variable to the lineup possilbly some time in 2011.  We'll see about that - a guy can't wait forever.  This model will supposedly have a upgraded finer hash line reticle of some sort.  Possibly like the new 1x4's have?
 
Another member, Jon A, gave me some great advice when I was mulling my decision over..... "buy the SS 3x9 and get out there and shoot".  I did just that, and it's proven to be all the scope I need.  Great glass, tracks true, built tough, great warranty should I ever need it.  Plus, the SS's hold their value, if down the road you feel the need to sell and upgrade.
 
If you are a member on Snipershide, there is a discount code for 10% off the SS too!
 
The one difference I can see between the SS and the Vortex is that the SS 3x9 has the original style mil dot reticle - the Vortex has a more refined reticle with finer hash marks.  I haven't found the mil dots to be a problem for my uses, but I'm not trying to shoot tiny targets at 500 - 1000 yards.
 
Good luck and let us know what you decide!
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FireEMT5 gave some good reasons for the SS 3-9. I'd go with the SS 3-9 too mostly to get into a solid FFP mil/mil scope for not much money. That way you can get used to using an FFP scope, which allows you to range at any power and to use the reticle at any power to make corrections. Although, truth be told, SFP is not a huge liability in a scope that tops out @ 10X. I've found with my NF 2.5-10X32 that I've only ranged over 300 yards and have then wanted to scope on 10X anyway. I've never used the illumination, however, other than to test it out. So that I'd say is not a make-or-break feature.

Zero-stop is an essential feature on the NF because their Compact NXS turrets give no indication of turns. But the SS 3-9 does so it's not a problem to get back to your zero. So again, while nice, it's not a make-or-break feature. This is nothing against the Vortex. Either way, you'll have a very good scope for the money that meets your needs. Just don't worry too much about the peripheral features. The PST 4-16 would be a little constricted in terms of FOV vs. the 2.5 or 3X of the other two, but might be more comfortable for shots past 500 yards. Just ask yourself though if you will really be doing that much.
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I compared the SS 3-9 to a Leupold 4.5-14x40 Tactical
 
 
 
I just picked up a Super Sniper 3-9 today. I have not shot it yet but wanted to give a quick "first impression" compared to my Leupold Vari-x iii 4.5-14x40 mil dot tactical


I know these scopes are very different, but I think there enough similarities to compare some features.

Both scope were about $500 used.

Super Sniper:
3-9 power
Mil dot
Mil turrets
FFP
30mm tube

Leupold:
4.5-14 power
Mil dot
1/4 moa covered target turrets
SFP
1" tube


The glass on the SS, contrary to popular review, was not even close to the Leupold. Up to 5 power, the SS showed obvious pincushion distortion...some call this tunnel effect. The Leupold showed no sign of this at 4.5 power.

The SS also had very noticeable chromatic aberration, the purple fringing that appears around objects. The Leupold had some, but near as much.

Leupold had slightly better eye relief.

Super Sniper was brighter overall and was easier to use at dusk.



Overall, I'll keep the SS on my 700 due to the mil/mil retivcle urea combo and the FFP. I think it's great for the money, but its not a $1500 scope for $600 as some people say.

Leupold is hard to beat as well for $500. The replacement for this however, the Mark 4, would cost quite a bit more new and would be far over the Super Snipers price.

This is all IMHO and only first impressions of the scopes.
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The Vortex PST also has a Mil/Mil in FFP out now. 
 
I would love to try one out.
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Originally posted by Super-tac Super-tac wrote:

The Vortex PST also has a Mil/Mil in FFP out now. 
 

I would love to try one out.

This is not available in the 2.5-10 correct?
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According to the Vortex site, the only FFP scopes are the 4x16 and the 6x24.
 
Agreed, the SS does have a little tunneling at the 3 - 4 range.  I have not found this to be a problem, if I follow the fundamentals and get behind the scope and do my part.  Actually, I really don't notice it and it hasn't been a problem - again for my uses.
 
The SS very well may not stack up to scopes costing $1500 and up.  That's not really an apples to apples comparision.  Now it you compare it to anything else out there in the $600 - $1000 or even $1200 range, it is hard to beat the SS for what they sell for.  Even if you double the price of the SS, are the gains you get over the SS worth 2 X the money? Only you can decide that.  My budget at the time and research I did agreed.
 
All I know is that I wasn't going to drop the coin for an IOR or Nightforce to sit atop my AR.  For what I paid for my SS, I'm one very happy and satisfied customer.  It does what I expect it to do and it does it well.  My SS has found a home on my AR and I won't be selling it or trading it for anything.  I may buy more expensive glass sometime down the road - hopefully a higher power variable SS, but this SS 3x9 is staying in the stable.Big Grin
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I am in a similar predicament, and I think I am going to go with the SS 3-9.  I will probably upgrade later, but the scope was designed for DMR use by the Army and I think it will go well on one of my ARs once I can afford USO glass for my bolt guns.
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