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Looking for advise, experience, etc. regarding the following scopes.  One of them will be going on a Rem 700 5R Milspec set up for hunting.  I have used Nikon for a number of years after deciding optics optics were better than Leupold in comparable lines at least for my eyes.  Now looking at either the Nikon Monarch in 3-12x42 or the Vortex Viper in 4-12x42.  They are both in my price range and I've already considered and eliminated everything but these two scopes.  Looking for info on these only.  Thanks for the input.
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I think that both of these scopes are pretty close in terms of glass.  The vortex may have more MOA adjustments though I am not certain.
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i like vortex's warranty, they really dont have a cs dept. which is nikons only real downfall imo, i have nikons and i have a vortex viper, none of which are the scopes you a refering to, but i give vortex the nod.
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TMK Nikon also has a lifetime warranty.  When lifetime warranty becomes a driving factor, I always have to attempt to forecast "will this company be here throughout my lifetime".  I'd hazard to guess Nikon will.  I really don't have enough history to make a forecast on Vortex.  The BEST warranty is the one I never have to use.  I' get a bit suspicious when too many people say "they have great customer service".   If everything was perfect, you'd never know.  Of course IF Nikon has a great warranty on paper, but not much real access to warranty service, then it's kinda useless.

That said, my new Monarch purchase may have likely been a Viper if I could've obtained 30mm rings for my 1mm dovetailed .223 Kimber.  I just couldn't find any which seemed more suited to rimfire.    I liked the  Viper for similar glass and better (subjective) reticule choice.  I liked the idea of more MOA adjustment, but not sure it's an issue in my application.  I liked the turret options on the Nikon.  For general purpose (walking rifle), I'm not a fan of high turrets.  Nikon gave me an option. 

Yah...I know I haven't really given the original poster much if any to make his decision on.  I went with the Nikon for probably different reasons than he's looking at.  I can say, price around and SWFA will price match (110%).  Worked for me for a substantial savings.
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nikons life time warranty wont cover you like the vortex one will, read both. vortex will replace there products even if its your fault. ive never heard anybody say anything negative about vortex's warranty or cs dept, nikon on the other hand is a coin toss.ive owned a half dozen nikon scopes over the last 10 years have yet to have a stitch of trouble with one, but i havent really put them on anything with heavy recoil either, i just put my first vortex on my .375H&H and so far so good, they recoil test their scopes to .50bmg. im not sure what nikon recoil tests to.


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Regarding Nikon's warranty, I used mine last year, they replaced the scope with the upgraded version, no questions asked.
 
NOTE:  AFAIK, that DOES-NOT apply to Nikon refurbished scopes, those are only valid for 90 days.
 
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Not too big of deal on smaller calibers, but the Nikon has better eye relief. 

You didn't say .308 or .223, but I'm guessing .308 (hunting). 

Growing up with magnums, eye relief was king and tended to be a sign of a good (better) scope.
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I will be mounting it on a .300Win Mag.  I will probably put a muzzle break on it eventually but want still want something that will stand recoil if need be.  One other scope I didn't consider and I could possiblly find a little extra for is a Zeiss Conquest.  Is this one a no brainer? 

Keep the input coming.  I appreciate it and consider every experience everyone has had.  Thanks.
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Originally posted by JagerDog JagerDog wrote:

Not too big of deal on smaller calibers, but the Nikon has better eye relief. 

You didn't say .308 or .223, but I'm guessing .308 (hunting). 

Growing up with magnums, eye relief was king and tended to be a sign of a good (better) scope.

i had my 3x9 4200 elite on my .375H&H before i bought the viper, it has 3.3 inches of eye relief ( constant) i never got smacked by that scope. i then put a 2x7 viper on it which has more eye relief than the 4200 does. glass and coating are whats important not eye relief.
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The Vortex is getting a good push like the Sightron for customer service.I have to admit Sightron does have the best service in the business.I would choose the Vortex Viper because it's has good glass and a solid warranty.
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If you'll check the specs the Monarch has more ER and a wider FoV than the Viper.  Both are factors in my choice of scopes.  The only Nikon I ever had a problem with was replaced with a brand new scope.  I'd get the Monarch. 
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Something in the 2.5-10 range would probably work as well. I don't do much timber hunting and often use the shope to look at things across a canyon when I need something a little more than the binos. For shooting however I rarely shoot from anything more or less that 4-6 power. I'm also trying to decide between using turrets for windage and elevation adjustment or going with a bdc type reticle. Any suggestions from a hunting standpoint? Not sure how well the open circles of the Nikon work out. Seems like they could be fairly large at distance.

I've also notice that Zeiss Conquest scopes can be had at fairly reasonable prices used.  Are they so superior that spending an extra $50-$100 on a slightly used one would be better than either the Nikon or the Vortex scopes?

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