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Is the glass in Vortex's Diamondback HP line the same as the Viper HS line, or is the Viper HS glass better? If so, how much better?

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Tagged as I'd like to know this answer also.
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not 100% sure, but i think the HS is in the same league as the PST line in quality, rather than the diamondback. I believe the PST and HS line are  just built for different purpose. PST having more "tactical" features, and HS being more classic hunter affiliated.

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I currently have a Diamondback HP 3-12 on one of my hunting rifles. This was the first season I got to use it.

I was hunting an open field, and at 5:05 PM (still within legal hunting time) a buck showed up about 100 yards out. I could see he was at least a fork horn, but they need to have 3 points to a side to be legal. I could have easily taken the shot, but the scope was not bright enough nor clear enough to see if he had brow tines or not. It was a clear day and out in the open.

I decided right then that I need a better scope. Maybe I expected more for the $250 I paid.

My restrictions are that I do NOT want to go to a larger objective than 44mm. I love the Deadhold reticle, and my hopes are that the Viper HS would be the improvement that I'm looking for.

Also, I noticed someone had a Black Friday sale on Steiner GS3's for $350. I was tempted, but didn't pull the trigger on that one because I didn't know if Steiner glass is the same as Burris or not. I tried a Burris Fullfield E1 to replace the Diamondback, but I sent it back. To my eyes, it just wasn't an improvement.

So there's another question for the group: Do the Steiners have the same glass as the Burris scopes?

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I had a diamondback HP 3-12 and sold it because it was bright enough t dusk. I just recently got a SS HD 3-9, much bette at dusk, but a different price bracket. What I have read here a lot and seems true, buy once cry once, but I had to learn the hard way to get there.

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To my understanding the HS is meant to be the same glass as the PST. I have the HS 4-16x50 and not all that excited by it. It's clear enough at lower magnification but from 12-16x it noticeably loses clarity
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I called Vortex today, but I posted here first because I wanted opinions from this site.

I asked if the glass is the same, and the response was "well, it depends". Then I specified exactly which two scopes (Diamondback HP 3-12 vs. Viper HS 2.5-10). I never got an answer as to whether or not the glass is the same, but I suspect the answer is "yes". Their representative said they would be very similar, and they "are both great performers". I didn't push him to give an absolute answer, as he clearly didn't want to. I think I got my answer indirectly.


I then called Steiner, and asked the same question about their GS3 2-10 vs. Burris Fullfield E1. This time, it was confirmed that the glass is different. He claimed the Steiner has German glass, while the Burris is of either Philippines or Japanese origin. He was, however, reluctant to say that the Steiner would perform better in low light conditions. I was told the coatings on the Steiner may be slightly better, but that most people would probably not be able to notice any difference.

I'm not sure if his reluctance was because he didn't want to sound as if the Burris was sub-par, or if the two scopes really are as close as he says they are.

Maybe I just need to buy a Conquest HD. I looked at the Sightron Big Sky, but I really don't like the reticles.
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Get a Meopa or a Swaro Z3.  Then you will have super nice glass and not have to worry about it any more. 
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+1

The Meopta Meopro line has great low light performance.
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Bitteroot,

You think the MeoPro is better than the Z3? Or are you giving that one the thumbs up because of the price/value?
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

+1

The Meopta Meopro line has great low light performance.


Yep, I have no problem seeing well past legal shooting hours with my MeoPro's.

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Originally posted by magshooter1 magshooter1 wrote:

Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

+1

The Meopta Meopro line has great low light performance.


Yep, I have no problem seeing well past legal shooting hours with my MeoPro's.


I have read the Meopta reticles are fairly thin? How would there reticles compare to say the Zeiss Z-plex?

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If you get the Meopta #4 reticle you will not wonder if you can see the reticle in low light. I have shot animals that the naked eye couldn't see with a 3-9x42 Meopro.
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So is the BDC reticle too thin for low light?
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id definitely go with meopta. the plex and bdc did look a little thin to me. but the 3meoptas i own all have the #4 reticle. that 3-9x42 is about the perfect hunting scope
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You guys talked me into it. Order a MeoPro 3-9x42 from SWFA. The decision has been made.

Gotta get the 42mm version while they last. The new ones are all 40mm now.
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