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I have been hearing good things about the Vortex Diamondback and Viper (out of my price range) lines of scopes.  I have a question for the gurus on this board.  How would the Vortex Diamondback 3x9x40 or 2x7x35 compare to a 10-15 year old 2.5x8x36 Leupold Vari-X III (it does have Multi-Coat IV)?  Looking to mount one of these on a Browning Micro Medallion 7mm-08.  There is no where around where I live to look at the Vortex models.  I like the Leupy and can get a good price on this particular used one.  But, the Vortex would be a slightly less expensive option and brand new too.  Thanks in advance.
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I would not hesitate on the vortex another second.
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Even if that old- technology Leupold Vari-X III were brand new, the Diamondback would likely surpass it in several ways, most notably optical quality and repeatability of the turrets.

The Var-X III's were good old scopes... key word is old.
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Get the Vortex... A superior scope backed by an outstanding company.
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I don't have much in the way of input as to what to buy one to the other.

But I can tell you that if the deal was good enough that you decide on the Leupold. Old should not be much of a factor.

That is if the body etc. are in good shape Leupold will at no cost rework the innards and put the scope back in new condition. This with a turn around of two weeks or less in most cases according to their tech department.  WOW
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A have shot the rifle it is currently on (belongs to a friend) and it is in excellent condition.  My friend wants $250 (firm) for it used with box and all papers.  I looked on the auction sites and they typically sell between $235 and $285 depending on condition.  Both the Diamondback models are available for less than $200 before shipping.  I have some other Leupy's that are of comparable age and still use them regularly.  But, if I can get a superior product for less $$$ I'd much rather do that.  And I agree that Leupolds CS is fantastic. Excellent
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I'd rather have the Diamondback. I'm not at all a fan of anything Leupold that I've used so far, and that's not an outstanding price. If that one was $100-150 I'd say buy it, but for $250 I wouldn't buy it. 
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Granted that Leup has great CS but I'm willing to bet that Vortex has BETTER CS!  The fact that two of Vortex's top guys joined this forum and regularly answer questions is a huge testiment to Vortex's business and CS philosophy!  It is extremely clear that they want to hear feedback good or bad and they LISTEN to what you say and want!  Leup does NOT listen and are pretty arrogant in their pricing!
 
 
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 Magshooter1,
 If your going to spend $250 why not save just a bit more and get the 2-7x32 Viper? I got one to my door from SWFA for $274.16. It replaces a VXIII 1.75-6x32 I had and TO ME is a better scope.  Vari-XIII's are nice scopes(I have a 3.5-10x40AO)but they are behind in the newer optics technologies.
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i got to spend 2 weeks a while back testing out a 3x9 vortex diamondback, for the price i was certainly impressed, it was imo... not to far behind the nikon monarch ucc's. they are nice scopes especially when the price is taken into consideration.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i got to spend 2 weeks a while back testing out a 3x9 vortex diamondback, for the price i was certainly impressed, it was imo... not to far behind the nikon monarch ucc's. they are nice scopes especially when the price is taken into consideration.
 
So do you think it would be equal to or better than the older Vari-X III in question?
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ive never really spent a lot of time with the varixIII's  ive used 1 in my life, and it was on another persons rifle and all i did was look through it at the range. it wasnt anything to write home about, i would say the vortex is in the ball park with the leupold in question. i would need more time to compare them to give a firm answer, i dont really feel comfortable at this point with giving a firm answer.
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The only reason I have 2 Leupold VX-III s is the choice of reticle. The resolution is not very good. I can read a speed limit sign at over 1050 yards with a 42 year old 3-9 Weaver.  I can't read with either of my 3 year old 4.5-14 long range VX-IIIs. That is a long ways behind in optical technology in my book.

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Leupold has only recently upgraded their glass in their scope lines. This is because so many have surpassed them in optical quality, that they could no longer justify the prices for their products. Newer scopes like the Vortex lines in question, certainly are a step up when compared to most of the older Leupolds.
 
The older VX III series were very serviceable scopes mind you. Better than the Vari X III scopes which are what you are asking about here. Yes the Vortex will be better than the Vari X III model Leupolds. 
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These vortex scopes may be good ones but where im from we trust Leupold. And no one will ever convince me that a vortex or whatever is half as tough and well constructed as a Leupold. Optically i wont argue with you at all because im fully aware Leupold is behind in this category.Bet it aint all about optics. Heck the clearest scope on earth aint worth nothing if it gets off zero evertime you bump it. im not knocking these vortex scopes by any means but untill they start showing up in gun shops around here and ppl start buying them that are rough as we are on equipment as we are and can contest to their durability then i might would try one.     
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

These vortex scopes may be good ones but where im from we trust Leupold. And no one will ever convince me that a vortex or whatever is half as tough and well constructed as a Leupold. Optically i wont argue with you at all because im fully aware Leupold is behind in this category.Bet it aint all about optics. Heck the clearest scope on earth aint worth nothing if it gets off zero evertime you bump it. im not knocking these vortex scopes by any means but untill they start showing up in gun shops around here and ppl start buying them that are rough as we are on equipment as we are and can contest to their durability then i might would try one.     

ive got a vortex on my .375H&H now, no issues, ive put it on my .300wby as well no issues. ive broke several leupolds with my .300win mag. just because a group of stores doesnt carry a particular product line doesnt mean its not worth considering. you are one of the types of customers leupold loves. you bleed leupold gold and i imagine your undershorts have a gold ring around them too. its a scope man you shouldnt have be married to one brand. vortex tests their scopes to extremely violent levels. .338 lapuas .50bmgs etc. i hate to call you out on this but in this case you obviously know nothing about vortex scopes that comes from first hand experience. you need to try it before you knock it.


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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

These vortex scopes may be good ones but where im from we trust Leupold. And no one will ever convince me that a vortex or whatever is half as tough and well constructed as a Leupold. Optically i wont argue with you at all because im fully aware Leupold is behind in this category.Bet it aint all about optics. Heck the clearest scope on earth aint worth nothing if it gets off zero evertime you bump it. im not knocking these vortex scopes by any means but untill they start showing up in gun shops around here and ppl start buying them that are rough as we are on equipment as we are and can contest to their durability then i might would try one.     



Hello Sir,
        I totally understand where you are coming from. It is hard to judge a scope if you have not used one or have a close friend with one. So let me make you an offer. Get a hold of me at sparks@vortexoptics.com.  I would like to offer you the chance to use one of our scopes. Now I cant just send you one for free, but what I can do is send you one at SWFA's price and if you dont care for it or even if you do like it and just dont need another scope at this time you can send it back on our dime and we will issue you a full refund.I will also make sure that I credit SWFA for this sale if you decide to keep it. This way the guys out by you and including you will  be able to see one of our scopes first hand.


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Now that is a confident company.
 
Excellent.
 
Scott, I am going to beat up that Viper 2-7 I ordered on a .338 Tikka.  I'll post under the Member's Review Section after torture testing.  I will also tell all my friends.Wink
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

These vortex scopes may be good ones but where im from we trust Leupold. And no one will ever convince me that a vortex or whatever is half as tough and well constructed as a Leupold. Optically i wont argue with you at all because im fully aware Leupold is behind in this category.Bet it aint all about optics. Heck the clearest scope on earth aint worth nothing if it gets off zero evertime you bump it. im not knocking these vortex scopes by any means but untill they start showing up in gun shops around here and ppl start buying them that are rough as we are on equipment as we are and can contest to their durability then i might would try one.     
  
I feel the same way about Elite 4200's. I've owned plenty of Leupold's and while they are good scopes, no one will convince me that they are as tough as the Elite 4200's. The only thing that Leupold offers over the Elite is the availability of reticle choices and turret options if you're into that sort of thing.
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Hello Sir,
        I totally understand where you are coming from. It is hard to judge a scope if you have not used one or have a close friend with one. So let me make you an offer. Get a hold of me at sparks@vortexoptics.com.  I would like to offer you the chance to use one of our scopes. Now I cant just send you one for free, but what I can do is send you one at SWFA's price and if you dont care for it or even if you do like it and just dont need another scope at this time you can send it back on our dime and we will issue you a full refund.I will also make sure that I credit SWFA for this sale if you decide to keep it. This way the guys out by you and including you will  be able to see one of our scopes first hand.


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I see and hear that same line over and over but after seeing this comment from Scott I sure am glad I got that new Diamondback for my wife's rifle. Gives me confidence in the product and the company behind it.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

These vortex scopes may be good ones but where im from we trust Leupold. And no one will ever convince me that a vortex or whatever is half as tough and well constructed as a Leupold. Optically i wont argue with you at all because im fully aware Leupold is behind in this category.Bet it aint all about optics. Heck the clearest scope on earth aint worth nothing if it gets off zero evertime you bump it. im not knocking these vortex scopes by any means but untill they start showing up in gun shops around here and ppl start buying them that are rough as we are on equipment as we are and can contest to their durability then i might would try one.     

ive got a vortex on my .375H&H now, no issues, ive put it on my .300wby as well no issues. ive broke several leupolds with my .300win mag. just because a group of stores doesnt carry a particular product line doesnt mean its not worth considering. you are one of the types of customers leupold loves. you bleed leupold gold and i imagine your undershorts have a gold ring around them too. its a scope man you shouldnt have be married to one brand. vortex tests their scopes to extremely violent levels. .338 lapuas .50bmgs etc. i hate to call you out on this but in this case you obviously know nothing about vortex scopes that comes from first hand experience. you need to try it before you knock it.


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I take exception to the attitude that "we" aren't as tough on scopes, as you folks claim to be. That can mean a couple of different things.
1) You are making an assumption that "we" are weekend warrior types. Therefore we have no clue. This would suggest that we are somehow only here to "plug" a particular brand for whatever reason.
2) "We" can assume you don't take care of your equipment the way we do. 
 
I own a Leupold VXIII. I have owned (Prior to a theft) IOR 4.5 14X 50  , and a Leupold Mark IV LRT.
My next scope will be a Viper PST to replace the Leupold that was stolen. I have looked through several Vortex scopes, and borrowed a Viper from a friend. I used it during hunting season last year on my 7mm Mag. It rode around all season in the back of my truck, and on a dune buggy. No issues at all. Add the excellent CS at Vortex, and the choice is really easy for me.
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Careful cyborg, we might be dealing with one of those "serious" type hunters.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Careful cyborg, we might be dealing with one of those "serious" type hunters.

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