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I am considering purchasing a Victory FL Diavari 4-16x50 T* scope by Zeiss to mount on a Winchester Model 70 300 Win Magnum rifle.  Does anybody have any experience with this scope?  I am consdering the illuminated version with the number 60 reticle.
 
Please advise.
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Advise about what? That it's probably one of the best scopes made? Thats is glass is second to none? That any lucky dog having one on his 70 300 win mag. should be out shooting instead of suffering from cognitive dissonance? Please be more specific, especially about the cognitive dissonance. 
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Dale Clifford,
 
If you don't mind would you post your side by side comparisons of this scope with others in any price range, please?
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Go for it ,I have one on my 5R but not the illum one. Fantastic scope you will never be sorry,the detail I get from the FL glass has to be seen to be beleived.
 The 800 Z-plex is set up up for 300 WM.Just one thing when you get the scope,make sure you can put the sun shade on,Zeiss has a tendency to really screw the adaptor on tight.The other 3 Zeiss that I've owned after a little elbow greese I was able to free up the ring but on my FL I had to send it to Zeiss to have done.
 
CS was very helpful ,they even sent me a mail back tag.Terrific company!


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Rich -- name a scope that has FL glass,, 4x16 range with a 50 mm so the comparison means something and I'll do it just for you. 
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Dale,
 
Let me try this again.  I don't want you to compare it with something like it.  I want to see how it compares with a Leupold or a Bushnell or a Sightron or Nightforce or Weaver or other more common scope.
 
That way we can know if it is worth our own money.
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Glad you brought that up. To me a comparison between a scope from a different manufacturer even if it were possible to have identical specs would still be meaningless. But comparing two or more scopes across the board and (especially optical qualities) gets me nothing but a headache. After a 1/2 hour of my eyeball focusing, dilating, I'm not sure what I've seen. The only method I accept for comparing optical systems across the board is called modulation transfer functions, such as used on camera lenses.  Rifle scopes haven't gotten to this level yet so --- Zeiss uses this method (and sells machines to measure it) and you can bet their FL lenses meet or beat. Personally I'm not a glass person so if the turrets don't cut it I have an automatic shut off valve in my brain that substitutes the word Viagra for the name brand of the company being discussed.   
So to quote a movie (I think it was Rainman)--"Are you currently taking any prescription drugs?"  Not that I want to know, but the point is--- there are so many variables going on with each specific human , your selection criteria leads to inconsistency in the reasoning loop.  While the answer you conclude may in fact be accurate your disregarding the methodology you used to get there. Science is all about methodology, and your results to a formal researcher may not get read.
But back to fun and games. The reason I shoot and reload is to get away from that sh*t I usually don't write scope reviews or read them because they are meaningless to me. I judge a scope after having and used it for a least a year, and with a bare min. of 1k rounds on various guns. Since this requires a lot of time and some expense- I will never get around to testing most scopes nor do I want to. Also I many rifles and lots of optics. This makes my purchase very specific to the use on a particular situation or gun.  Usually the bare min. of quality I put on a gun is a Leupold vx3 something depending on which decade of the shooting sport we are talking about.  I can tell you alot about leupold scopes. Not saying they are the greatest-- the set up just works better with what I'm doing--shooting.
Back to your question-- comparing products, in this case consumer sport optics, within the same maker is hard enough, but comparing them across maker without including some type of  "how good is it for the specific use" is a waste of time.
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Thanks gang.  I purchased the scope.  I wanted to see if there was any negative.  I guess not.  I will post a picture here when I get it mounted.  Its not going on a regular Model 70 rifle.  Its going on a Super Grade Limited Edition with gold inlay.  I thought the Zeiss would be a nice complement for it. 
 
It will be mainly a range queen and a safe queen.  Once in a while on the hunt for elk, wild pigs, and deer. 
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Zeiss FL would be a nice complement on any rifle & the one you picked sounds great.Post pic's & let us know how you like it.
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ptalar,
 
Do you have others scopes?  If so, let us know how your new one compares to what you already have.  I don't mind a subjective results.  That's all most of us have since most of us are not optics scientists with optical testing equipment.  Thanks
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

ptalar,
 
Do you have others scopes?  If so, let us know how your new one compares to what you already have.  I don't mind a subjective results.  That's all most of us have since most of us are not optics scientists with optical testing equipment.  Thanks
 
Yeah.  I have other scopes:  A Zeiss Hensoldt 4x16-56mm FF, 3 Leupold M1 Tactical Scopes, a Burris handgun scope, a vintage Redfield Widefield Scope from the mid 70s I purchased new, great glass and a modern Redfield Scope.  Will give you my thoughts on Divari when compared to these scopes.
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Originally posted by ptalar ptalar wrote:

[QUOTE=Rich Coyle]ptalar,
 
Yeah.  I have other scopes:  A Zeiss Hensoldt 4x16-56mm FF, 3 Leupold M1 Tactical Scopes, a Burris handgun scope, a vintage Redfield Widefield Scope from the mid 70s I purchased new, great glass and a modern Redfield Scope.  Will give you my thoughts on Divari when compared to these scopes.
 
I also have a Kahles Scope, great glass also.
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I will state that comparatively speaking you will be hard pressed to put anything side by side with it I Have owned that exact scope and a few of the Swarovski Z6i's that had a much wider range of magnification, optically side by side I never did a comparison but I would in my own mind put them in the same league they might not both be exact matches but they are certainly comparative optically.

Ziess would have to be a little stronger for me due to its adjustment while the Swarovski is ok the Ziess has better feel for me. 

The Swarovski did not seem as bright but did have a little better color to me, which I do not think is suppose to be the case since the FL glass is supposed be better for that than the Swaro but I am just calling it how it looked to me.

Ziess also has a little more forgiving eye relief for my tendencies, while I know this was not an apples for apples due to the power/magnification and the glass inside, I know, having owned a Ziess/Hensoldt they have superb eye relief. 

You will never, ever  be disappointed you bought the Ziess. 




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ptalar,
 
I am looking forward to your post comparing your optics.  Reading about different optics is one of my funnest endevers.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

I will state that comparatively speaking you will be hard pressed to put anything side by side with it I Have owned that exact scope and a few of the Swarovski Z6i's that had a much wider range of magnification, optically side by side I never did a comparison but I would in my own mind put them in the same league they might not both be exact matches but they are certainly comparative optically.

Ziess would have to be a little stronger for me due to its adjustment while the Swarovski is ok the Ziess has better feel for me. 

The Swarovski did not seem as bright but did have a little better color to me, which I do not think is suppose to be the case since the FL glass is supposed be better for that than the Swaro but I am just calling it how it looked to me.

Ziess also has a little more forgiving eye relief for my tendencies, while I know this was not an apples for apples due to the power/magnification and the glass inside, I know, having owned a Ziess/Hensoldt they have superb eye relief. 

You will never, ever  be disappointed you bought the Ziess. 


 
Thanks 338 Lapua.  I like my Zeiss Hensoldt.  I felt I could not go wrong with the Diavari FL.  But I wanted a second opinion from the forum.  I did not feel like spending over $3000 for another scope.  Not warranted for this case.  I looked at the Swarovski's and they were good scopes also.  But they did not offer a Swarovision scope in the magnification range I was looking for.  Swarovision is an FL lens and is Swarovski's answer to Zeiss for their FL lenses.  However, the Swarovision scopes cost around $3000.  More than I wanted to spend.  I agree with you.  I will "settle" for the Zeiss.
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I have compared my Zeiss FL 4-16 to my SwaroZ6I 1-6x24 out at 650 yds late in the evening @ 5x on both scopes & my feeling was the Zeiss showed more detail but the Swaro seemed a tad brighter but just didn't get the detail.I know this is apples & oranges because of the size 50 mag vs 24 which is really crazy as the 50 should have shown more light but didn't.
 
Hopefully RC will jump in as he also owns a Hens. & he told me when I asked the difference between the two Zeiss scopes he thought the Hens.was a little more comfortable on the eyes.I think at this stage of the game you have to really dig to get a difinitive result.They are all great tubes & as they should be considering the price tag.
 
I have a Premier light tactical on order,I'm really looking foward to a side by side with the Fl & my Leica,sadly the swaro is going as to help pay for the Premier!
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I've compared a friend's Zeiss FL to my Hensoldt and glass was about (if not indistinguishably) the same, but eye box on the Hensoldt is better (best of any scope I've been behind.)  With Hensoldt optics, whether the 3-12 or 4-16, it is almost difficult to get an bad sight picture; with Zeiss FL, not quite as forgiving, but still very good.

My Hensoldt also has the 'floating image" thing - meaning, at and above 6X, the image seems to go beyond the limits of the tube.  Hard to explain, easy to appreciate when you see it.

I do enjoy Zeiss glass (own a few, have owned many more) and am a huge Hensoldt fan.  For eyebox: Hensoldt wins.  For glass: no clear winner between the 2 (in comparable zoom ranges and with comparable objectives.)
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Gentlemen,
 
How 'bout putting up a line chart about 250 yards or 500 yards distance and checking to see what magnification setting is necessary to clearly distinguish the lines?  Your setting may be different from someone else but if you are telling us your experience only, it is very usefull info.
 
For example at 521 yards my Nightforce setting was 12X while the Swarovski was 16 1/2X and the Bushnell was 15 1/2X.
 
 
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I mounted the scope on the rifle today to boresight it on the rifle.  As I was boresighting I noticed the horizontal turret does not click when I turn it.  The vertical knob clicks.  I am not sure whether the horizontal turret is defective or I am not using the turret correctly. 
 
I know some of you who posted on this thread have a Zeiss Victory Diavari FL.  Maybe you can chime in and advise me.  I pull the turret out then turn it.  But no click.  I am not even sure the reticle is moving horizontally when I adjust the horizontal on the reticle.
 
Do I need to send it back to the dealer and/or Zeiss for repair or I am not using the horizontal turret correctly? 
 
Please advise.
 
Thanks,
 
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Went & checked my 4-16 FL I have audable clicks on both my elevation & windage.I don't know what turrets you have on your scope but mine were orinally hunter turrets,which I promptly sent back to Zeiss to be converted to tactical[bench rest]turrets.
 
I would call Zeiss & ask them to send you a RA sticker & send it to them,or you could call the dealer to see if they have another in stock!
 
I've sent Zeiss scopes 3x for mods & 1 repair & I've always gotten my scopes back in under 3 weeks!
 
FYI they don't make a sunshade for any of the FL scopes.....Thought this is strange.
 
Good luck & the scope is very much worth the wait in any event,let us know how you made out.
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ptalar you are indeed a lucky man you have made some awesome optics choices.   I dont have one of those but I'm sure someone will answer before long on the adjustment issue.

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stickbow,
 
Thanks for your response.  I was able to get a click out of the windage turret this morning.  The directions that come with the scope are not clear.  If I do not pull on the turret and just turn the windage turret like a normal turret it clicks and the reticle moves.  This is not intuitive for this scope because the elevation knob requires that you pull the turret cap up then turn to change the elevation.  So I am not sure whether the windage knob is operating correctly.  I think I will call Zeiss tomorrow or email them on the operation.  And decide whether to return it.
 
Also, there is a zero stop built into the elevation turret that does not give enough elevation adjustment.  You have to carefully read the directions but when you are adjusting elevation and you zero out, you can no longer turn the elevation turret.  In order to get more elevation adjustment you have to remove the turret cap and turn an inner tappet turret, as Zeiss calls it, to get more elevation.  The tappet turret has a small pin (they call screw) staked into it.  This pin stops on a mating pin on the tube when the turret is turned to its extreme.  You just turn the tappet and when you zero out, you lift the tappet and move the pin to the other side of the tube pin and you can continue to adjust elevation with the inner tappet turret.  Not a good design for me.  I don't like the fact that I have to disassemble the elevation turret in order to get more elevation adjustment.  I removed the tappet pin and I can now adjust the elevation without a zero stop.  I don't need a zero stop.  Once I am sighted in at 200 yards I am done.  Also, the elelvation turret still requires you to lift the cap to turn it so it still locks in.
 
I did not know I could change turrets and go to tactical turrets.  I believe I have the stock hunting turrets.  I will call Zeiss and get an RA to get the scope checked out for the windage knob and to get tactical turrets, without a zero stop, installed for both windage and elevation.
 
Thanks,
 
Phil 
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ptalar,  I have used that same scope, nice scope; your turrets are not working correctly.  

I was not aware of the zero stop operation, that is indeed less than stellar.

Call Zeiss and let us know what they say.

I have interacted with Zeiss Customer Service on a few occasions and always been treated very well.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

ptalar,  I have used that same scope, nice scope; your turrets are not working correctly.  

I was not aware of the zero stop operation, that is indeed less than stellar.

Call Zeiss and let us know what they say.

I have interacted with Zeiss Customer Service on a few occasions and always been treated very well.
 
RC,
 
I talked to Bob Kaleta at Zeiss, the technical rep this morning.  He addressed all my issues:
 
1)  The windage turret you just turn to engage the gears like a normal scope turret.  You do not pull on the windage turret cap then turn like you do on the elevation turret.  I had figured this out yesterday.  I was taking a little bit of risk by doing this because I was afraid I might damage the scope.  This approach for the windage turret is not intuitive for this scope since the elevation turret requires you pull the cap then turn to adjust elevation.  The scope just takes getting use to.  The Zeiss directions are not clear on this.
 
2)  On the elevation turret Bob confirmed that yes indeed you have to take apart the elevation turret in order to get more elevation adjustment.  Bob told me it would not hurt the scope to remove the pin from the inner tappet turret.  Taking that pin out vastly improves the user friendliness of the scope. 
 
3)  It would cost about $200 to replace the hunting windage turret with a tactical/target windage turret.  They have to send it back to Germany to get retrofitted.  I will first sight in the rifle at the range to see if I can live with the hunting windage turret.  I would rather not spend $200.  If it were a conquest scope they could do it in Chester, Va and it would cost $50.  The cost does not bother me as much as the hassle and risk of shipping it overseas for retrofit.
 
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