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Hey guys,
I just bought a VEPR 54r 20.5 inch V2 Squareback rifle (For those of you who do not know, they are AK variants with heavier receivers, thicker bbls, tighter tolerances, and mine is in 7.62x54r).
NOT MINE, but this is the same model (I'm putting diff stocks on).
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/other-long-arms/55772d1368546021-natasha-54r-dmr-248127_10151491251281716_146841679_n.jpg

I'd like to take this rifle out to at least 600 yards, which I think I should be able to accomplish with good 182gr match ammunition! However, I don't know what scope to get. I've got an excellent mounting system, the russian NPZ optics mount, but I'm a little fuzzy on rings too (bought cheap rings on my last rifle...they gave me no shortage of headaches!).

Here is what I'm looking for:

1. Magnification: 3-9X or higher, preferably 3-12, 4-16.
2. Objective: 44mm or lower
3. Turrets: Target/finger adjustable with zero stop/reset to zero
4. Tube: 30mm preferred, but will consider 1 inch.
5. Illumination: Don't mind it but would rather not have it to save weight/cost.
6. Weight: Around 20 ounces MAX.
7. Price: $560 Max (Vortex PST)

I have a Leatherwood CMR right now, excellent scope, just don't think I could take it out to 600 yards.
Thanks for all the help! If you guys know something that might be good but doesnt quite match up to my list let me know too.
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I know that a lot of semi-autos chambered in 7.62x54R really prefer lighter bullets, so keep that in mind when you try the 182gr Yugo.

As far as you CMR goes, I have one of those and have no problem taking it out to 600 yards.  4x is not optimal for that, but works fine in a pinch.

As far as higher magnification scopes go, if you want FFP reticle, consider the SWFA SS 3-9x42 or Vortex Viper PS 2.5-10x32.  Both are very nice designs.

If you want even more magnification, you have to go with a SFP reticle, since there are no decent high magnification FFP scopes in your price range.

Vortex just sent me their HS-T 4-16x44 with VMR-1 reticle and mrad turrets.  For target shooting it is a nice scope.  I only started playing with it, but so far it looks better than I expected from it.

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The VEPRs are built for heavier ammo, so for accuracy ill use Prvi 182gr match and Russian blue box match.
That HS-T in MOA/MOA is really attracting me. The pst 2.5-10x32 is my favorite but a bit much for the budget.
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Originally posted by 7.62-Christmas 7.62-Christmas wrote:

The VEPRs are built for heavier ammo, so for accuracy ill use Prvi 182gr match and Russian blue box match.
That HS-T in MOA/MOA is really attracting me. The pst 2.5-10x32 is my favorite but a bit much for the budget.

The fact that it can survive heavier ammo, does not necessarily mean that it will be more accurate.  VEPRs are good guns, but you may need to test a few different combinations to get something with the precision you want.

Post your results once you get this going.

ILya
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Originally posted by 7.62-Christmas 7.62-Christmas wrote:

The VEPRs are built for heavier ammo, so for accuracy ill use Prvi 182gr match and Russian blue box match.

I would very much like to see your results with the Russian match ammo. We have members over on my forum that haven't seen accuracy improvement between the Serbian stuff and the lower grain, newer production, lead core rounds. I noticed a number of retailers selling the blue and white box "surplus match" ammo last year and I am curious if it yields better results.  

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


The fact that it can survive heavier ammo, does not necessarily mean that it will be more accurate. 

This is the truth. Still, the heavy barrel does allow for tighter groups after the first few shots over the Romanian PSL (which is the other AK-platform 54r available in the sub 1k range). 


...You know, I never posted on this forum until now. Its really is one of the most interesting places to read about optics, and I enjoy the knowledge base. Sorry in advance if this derails the OPS original question. 

best,
-DSP

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Got the rifle set up now, just running my Leatherwood CMR 1-4x. With 148gr Russian surplus, I was getting about 3 1/4" 5 shot groups at 110 yards. Pretty good, I think, considering the scope and surplus ammunition. Hoping to get down to about 1.5" with the match ammunition and more magnification. I'm rethinking my previous stipulations for a scope and thinking of getting something like a 2-7 or 3-9x. Looking for a lighter setup-the 16 ounce CMR is about as heavy as I want to get.
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Originally posted by 7.62-Christmas 7.62-Christmas wrote:

Got the rifle set up now, just running my Leatherwood CMR 1-4x. With 148gr Russian surplus, I was getting about 3 1/4" 5 shot groups at 110 yards. Pretty good, I think, considering the scope and surplus ammunition.

I dont know if that is a good result, as its at the top end of what we've been seeing over on the vepr forum. Usually with the 148 gr surplus the average is between 2"-3.5" @100 yards. 

Out of curiosity, have you looked into other mounting options beyond the NPZ you mentioned in your original post? There are better solutions than the Novosibirsk unit that will get your scope lower, and centered over the bore.


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Originally posted by BigSal BigSal wrote:

Originally posted by 7.62-Christmas 7.62-Christmas wrote:

Got the rifle set up now, just running my Leatherwood CMR 1-4x. With 148gr Russian surplus, I was getting about 3 1/4" 5 shot groups at 110 yards. Pretty good, I think, considering the scope and surplus ammunition.

I dont know if that is a good result, as its at the top end of what we've been seeing over on the vepr forum. Usually with the 148 gr surplus the average is between 2"-3.5" @100 yards. 

Out of curiosity, have you looked into other mounting options beyond the NPZ you mentioned in your original post? There are better solutions than the Novosibirsk unit that will get your scope lower, and centered over the bore.


best,
DSP


Thanks for the input! I took it to the range again today, shot a lot better. I think last time was just my fault, because my groups today with the same Russian 70's lightball ranged from 2-2.5 inches, usually right in the middle. I found some MFS ammo too, and that got pretty consistent 2 MOA groups. I didn't use any of that 182 grain match ammo yet, but I feel confident that with good ammunition I can get this gun into about 1.5 MOA.

The NPZ mount is barely off center, shouldn't be enough to worry about. Heck, the Russian scopes are far further off center and work just fine. The only other mount I know of that is lower is the MI AKSM, which I own. However, I find that once I attach it to the rifle, it's too hard to get off, and you can't take the dust cover off with it on. Shooting corrosive ammo, I like to be able to strip the rifle quickly and w/o trouble, so the NPZ works just fine-its plenty low.

I think at this point my biggest limitation is magnification. I'll probably pick up a Redfield Revolution 4-12x this week. Unless anyone knows something similar (under 16 oz) with a 30mm tube?
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Originally posted by 7.62-Christmas 7.62-Christmas wrote:

 The only other mount I know of that is lower is the MI AKSM, which I own. 


I dont know SWFA's policy about linking other websites on this forum, but I would look into RS Regulate's AK-300 optics mounts. The MI units are serviceable, but on the low end of acceptability. The RS unit allows you to set your scope directly over the bore as opposed to the MI unit which is only over the bore for the 1mm saiga receiver's that they developed and tested their product on. Anyway best of luck to you. 

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