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I picked up a Rem 700 Varmint 26" in .204 Ruger. Trying to decide what to scope it with. Plans are to run a Varmint Rig 0-600 yards. Want something that can have a Kenton Industries ballistic knob installed on it, a decent amount of MOA, enough to reach out there with the .204, and have above average optics. Lets hear all of yalls recommendations.
 
 
As of now only restriction really would be this:
Under $1,000
Magnification of 12+
over 60 MOA


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are the Kenton knobs a requirement too?
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Kenton knob is more of a want not really a requirement but, may make the final choice go one way or the other.
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Ok.  The 6500 elite that you talked about in the SB has gotten a lot of good reviews.  Shooter07 uses one and like it on his 308.

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Good glass, heavy (24 oz), 13.5", decent internals, 78 moa, but the worst CS in the industry among the larger players. And no transferable warranty -> less resale value. Of course these points may be less important to you.

Other options, maybe:
- Swarovski Z5 3-5-18x44, 16 oz, 13.3", great glass, good internals, a touch longer (14.1"), no transferable warranty but great CS, although adjustment range is starting to get iffy (58 moa)
- Minox ZA5 3-15x42, 13.7 oz, 12.2" (!!) , the best value choice by far, glass rivals the Swarovski, internals are good but not great, adjustment range could be larger (60 moa), good warranty and CS
- Burris SixX, 2-12x40, 10 oz, 12.8", good glass, illuminated reticle, OK internals, 70 moa, good warranty and CS

In the tactical arena, the IOR 3-18x42 has very good glass, heavy (22 oz), internals are suspect, warranty is good as is CS.

The weaver SuperSlam 3-15x42 is very heavy (26.5 oz) and has what I consider not enough adjustment range (50 moa). I would not consider it for a hunting rifle - but that's me/
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I use the 6500 on my .308.  600 yards is no problem for it.
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The Burris is out of the question shot with one not to long ago. I don't like them at all. Thus far  narrowed down to:
 
Minox ZA5 3-15
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14
Bushnell 6500 2.5-16
Vortex Viper
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Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 with the Z-800 is on my wish list.


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I'd can only comment on the Zeiss.  I love it.  very very clear glass...... i
 
 
 
 
f only you had a way to compare them all side by side.......  Wink
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Minox 4-20X50 ZA5 Riflescope Minox 4-20X50 ZA5 Riflescope
Stock # - 66030
  • Matte
  • MinoPlex
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
$698.95 
 

 
Starting to spark my interest more and more.


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Minox 3-15X42 ZA5 BDC 
Bushnell 6500 2.5-16X42/50 Plex with Kenton Knob
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14X44/50 Plex with Kenton Knob
 
All have superb glass, over 70 MOA of adjustment, decent power ranges, and 1/4 clicks.
The 1/8" clicks at 100 is what strayed me away from the 4-20 although it still had a decent amount of overall adjustment. I also think that 20 power is to much for what I will be using it for.
 
Also anyone with experience in the field for Varmint what size Harris would you go with?


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Minox 3-15X42 ZA5 BDC 
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14X44/50 Plex with Kenton Knob
 
In a run off
 
 
 
Bushnell 6500 2.5-16X42/50 Plex with Kenton Knob
I have used one and it was not my style, something didn't feel right about it.Who knows i might have been having a bad day
 
 
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Never had my hands on a Minox so again I'd say Zeiss.  Plus you could get the 50obj which will help ever so slightly and I like plex better than BDC especially for a dial turner.  No need to have extra reference points if you dial in correction, at least not that far off reference points.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I picked up a Rem 700 Varmint 26" in .204 Ruger. Trying to decide what to scope it with. Plans are to run a Varmint Rig 0-600 yards. Want something that can have a Kenton Industries ballistic knob installed on it, a decent amount of MOA, enough to reach out there with the .204, and have above average optics. Lets hear all of yalls recommendations.
 
 
As of now only restriction really would be this:
Under $1,000
Magnification of 12+
over 60 MOA
 
 
What is the intended purpose?  If it's coyote's or something along those lines and size, a Zeiss 4.5-14x50 would be the ticket.  If it's for a ground squirrels then I would  get something with a little more magnification.  Fortunately, because it is a 204, they tend to shoot pretty flat so you'll probably run out of horsepower before you ran out of MOA.
 

I have three 204's, two of them wear Swarovski 6-18 x50 and the other wear a Zeiss 6.5-20x50 each with hold over reticles.  Some prefer hold over reticles others prefer knobs.  If I could, I'd get both (Zeiss, Leupold maybe Swarovski w/Kenton Industry).  I have a Nikon in 6-24x50.  It's OK as long as you stay below 18x. 

Regarding reticles, if you're shooting small critters like sage rats some of those Duplex reticles can obscure a small critter (such as a Zeiss Z-Plex) when they're way out there, when you're holding off for wind. 

ZEISS 4.5-14x50 MOA Internal Adjustment:  68 (E), 45 (W)

ZEISS 6.5-20x50 MOA Internal Adjustment:  45 (E), 28 (W)

 

Swarovski 6-18x20: 3.9'/100 yds (E), 3'/100 yds (W)

 

Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40:  116 (E), 116 (W)

Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x50:  125 (E), 125 (W)

Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x40:  90 (E), 90 (W)

Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x50:  94 (E), 94 (W)

Leupold VX-3 8.5-25x50:  94 (E),94 (W)

 

Which Remington did you end up with?  Mine are Remington 700 VLTHSS.

 

HTH,

 

Jim

 


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I also have been struggling over scopes and I know the shortcoming of the 5-20x50 Accupoint is that it only has 50 moa but that should be enough and I see a lot of value in an illuminated reticle.  I am a big fan of the 4-16 power range and having a Mk4 8.5-25 I would say dont let the low end be less than 6.5 Now knowing that you have access to look at scopes we only dream about I would suggest that you really need something that you are going to enjoy because you know quality so my suggestion would be wait untill the next trade in Nightforce or U.S. Optics shows up and look it over closely to see if you want to make it your own that seems to me to be the wise move.
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Originally posted by tjtjwdad tjtjwdad wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I picked up a Rem 700 Varmint 26" in .204 Ruger. Trying to decide what to scope it with. Plans are to run a Varmint Rig 0-600 yards. Want something that can have a Kenton Industries ballistic knob installed on it, a decent amount of MOA, enough to reach out there with the .204, and have above average optics. Lets hear all of yalls recommendations.
 
 
As of now only restriction really would be this:
Under $1,000
Magnification of 12+
over 60 MOA
 
 
What is the intended purpose?  If it's coyote's or something along those lines and size, a Zeiss 4.5-14x50 would be the ticket.  If it's for a ground squirrels then I would  get something with a little more magnification.  Fortunately, because it is a 204, they tend to shoot pretty flat so you'll probably run out of horsepower before you ran out of MOA.
 

I have three 204's, two of them wear Swarovski 6-18 x50 and the other wear a Zeiss 6.5-20x50 each with hold over reticles.  Some prefer hold over reticles others prefer knobs.  If I could, I'd get both (Zeiss, Leupold maybe Swarovski w/Kenton Industry).  I have a Nikon in 6-24x50.  It's OK as long as you stay below 18x. 

Regarding reticles, if you're shooting small critters like sage rats some of those Duplex reticles can obscure a small critter (such as a Zeiss Z-Plex) when they're way out there, when you're holding off for wind. 

ZEISS 4.5-14x50 MOA Internal Adjustment:  68 (E), 45 (W)

ZEISS 6.5-20x50 MOA Internal Adjustment:  45 (E), 28 (W)

 

Swarovski 6-18x20: 3.9'/100 yds (E), 3'/100 yds (W)

 

Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40:  116 (E), 116 (W)

Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x50:  125 (E), 125 (W)

Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x40:  90 (E), 90 (W)

Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x50:  94 (E), 94 (W)

Leupold VX-3 8.5-25x50:  94 (E),94 (W)

 

Which Remington did you end up with?  Mine are Remington 700 VLTHSS.

 

HTH,

 

Jim

 
I've considered a lot of things and I really don't want my lower mag to be higher than 5. With most all things taken into consideration I have narrowed it down to the conquest which in my mind has always been superb for under the $1k mark. The other last man standing is the Minox ZA5 3-15. For the pricetag after looking through it the Minox is harder harder not to try. I have the Remington 700 SPS Varmint. You said you have a few .204s about when do they run out of horsepower? From what I know I shouldnt have any issues out to 600.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I also have been struggling over scopes and I know the shortcoming of the 5-20x50 Accupoint is that it only has 50 moa but that should be enough and I see a lot of value in an illuminated reticle.  I am a big fan of the 4-16 power range and having a Mk4 8.5-25 I would say dont let the low end be less than 6.5 Now knowing that you have access to look at scopes we only dream about I would suggest that you really need something that you are going to enjoy because you know quality so my suggestion would be wait untill the next trade in Nightforce or U.S. Optics shows up and look it over closely to see if you want to make it your own that seems to me to be the wise move.
I wouldn't go any higher than 5 on my lower mag and not knocking anything but, I can wait for a certian 5-20 to come out before I consider even thinking about a Nightforce. For the pricetag I could have 2 conquests or 2 Minox ZA5s and another rifle. Wink
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The wind will be more of a problem than drop will. Mine with 40gr bereger is good to 500 yards. I have not went much farther just yet. I have a savage 12 with a vortex viper.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Minox 3-15X42 ZA5 BDC 
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14X44/50 Plex with Kenton Knob
 
All have superb glass, over 70 MOA of adjustment, decent power ranges, and 1/4 clicks.

Hmmm - I am not sure abt your adjustment range data.

Minox site -> 60 moa for the 3-15x42
Zeiss site:  -> 48 moa for the x44 (although the spec is ambiguous, since they mention "square")
                  -> 68 moa for the x50


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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I've considered a lot of things and I really don't want my lower mag to be higher than 5. With most all things taken into consideration I have narrowed it down to the conquest which in my mind has always been superb for under the $1k mark. The other last man standing is the Minox ZA5 3-15. For the pricetag after looking through it the Minox is harder harder not to try. I have the Remington 700 SPS Varmint. You said you have a few .204s about when do they run out of horsepower? From what I know I shouldnt have any issues out to 600.
 
My slowest 204, a CZ-527A has the following M/V (@440') above sea level with a 39 SMK;
 
Muzzle Vel; 3550 fps
Muzzle Egy; 1103 ft/lbs
 
500 yds Vel: 1713 fps
500 yds Egy; 254 ft/lbs
 
800 yds Vel:  1044
800 yds Egy; 94 ft/lbs
 
At 800 yds this load goes subsonic which is the end of the line.  Since I shoot mine primarly at ground squirrels, I won't reun out of horse-power.  But if it was something bigger it might not be enough, which is where my 6mm Remington comes into play.
 
As far as the MIN magnification, I hear ya' but I'm using mine in wide open areas with many back-up rifles so a 6 or a 6.5 isn't a main concern for me and neither would a 8.5.  Now, if I were to use it in folage then I too would reduce my MIN pwr to 5 or less.
 
A Zeiss Conquest is a good choice but I wish they would offer the 4.5-14x50 with their Rapid Z Varmint reticle.
 
Oh, and on a different note; received the Leupold Binoculars today (switch power).  Another 1st class transaction from you folks, Thx.
 
 
HTH,


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I think a Conquest with the Rapid-Z Varmint, AND a kenton knob would be excellent. That way if the action is very fast, you can use the reticle, but for all out precision, you still have a knob to dial in..... But maybe I just like options.
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what all these guys say, conquest rapid-Z with some nice zoom on it!
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Unfortunatly to get a Rapid Z-Varmint one has to get a 6.5-20x50.  My CZ 204 wears this scope, it is a nice piece of glass but so are the Swarovski's which are on the Remington's.
 
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I would probably consider Sightron S3 6-24x50 for this.  It is a nice piece and I easily prefer S3 to Elite 6500 in terms of optical quality (not hard for you to check).

Minox ZA-5 4-20x50 is another good choice.

Or you could wait and see what interesting stuff comes out at SHOT.  I can think of a couple of good options that will be announced in January.

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