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USMC Awards Contract to Leupold® Tactical for Mark 8™ CQBSS™ Riflescopes
 
 
BEAVERTON, Ore. - Leupold's® Tactical Optics Division has won a contract with the United States Marine Corps (USMC) to supply 728 Mark 8™ 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS™ riflescopes for use with M2 heavy machine guns and MK19 grenade machine guns. The sight will carry the M521 designation.

Ordered to meet the need of Afghanistan-based Marine units for a Heavy Day Optic, the Mark 8 CQBSS scopes will be employed to support combat operations. A key feature of the scope is Leupold's new Marine-Tactical Milling Reticle (M-TMR™), which is designed to allow successful range estimation and target engagement with more flexibility than generally possible with other reticle styles. The M-TMR's "staircased" configuration preserves the instinctive-fire capabilities on low magnification while allowing precise range estimation at any power setting.

"The Marine Corps' innovative employment of this new technology will bring enhanced lethality to two combat-proven systems, the M2 and MK19 heavy machine guns," said Kevin Trepa, vice president of Leupold's Tactical Division. "We will continue working hard to deliver the new tools that our warfighters need to succeed on the battlefield."

The Mark 8 CQBSS has a state-of-the-art lens system providing operators with the capability of an 8-power precision riflescope in one rugged, field-proven unit. The 34mm maintube features a fully checkered ocular bell for making quick magnification adjustments even while wearing gloves.

A front focal plane reticle, the M-TMR is accurate at all magnification settings. Eight illumination settings allow for optimum contrast with or without night vision. An off position between each intensity setting makes returning to the preferred setting nearly immediate.

In addition, the Mark 8 CQBSS has Auto-Locking Pinch and Turn turrets with 0.10 mil clicks that are extremely easy to adjust, yet eliminate accidental adjustment in the field. Leupold's Index Matched Lens System® with DiamondCoat 2™ helps enhance optical performance by providing increased light transmission and scratch resistance that exceeds mil-specs.

Mark 8 CQBSS riflescopes have a matte black finish and are filled with an argon/krypton gas blend, making them second-generation waterproof, fog proof and shock proof. Flip-open lens covers and a 2.5" sun shade are standard issue.

Leupold Tactical Optics undergo arduous environmental and impact testing to ensure they meet the highest quality standards for durability and dependability. Leupold Tactical Optics are backed by the company's long history of customer-satisfaction warranties. For warranty information on specific products, call 1-800-LEUPOLD (Option 4) or e-mail tacticaloptics@leupold.com. For additional product information, go to www.leupold.com.

Supported by a team of dedicated engineers, the Leupold Tactical Optics staff works with American warfighters, law enforcement personnel, and competitive shooters to design and build products that meet their needs. Currently, more long-range Leupold Tactical Optics are in service with the U.S. military than any other brand.

Leupold & Stevens, Inc., the preeminent American-owned and -operated optics company, employs more than 700 people in its state-of-the-art facility near Beaverton, Ore., where Mark 4® and Golden Ring® optics are designed, machined and assembled. Leupold & Stevens, Inc. is a fifth-generation, family owned company. The product line includes rifle, handgun and spotting scopes; binoculars; rangefinders; trail cameras; flashlights; mounting systems; and optical tools and accessories.
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Get yours before the USMC gets theirs......they're only $3,999.95
 
 
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Excellent  Glad to see it to go an american made company (kinda)
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That's sad. I'm sure the scopes will be moderately functional, but there's no way they can be worth $1400 more than a Schmidt & Bender or Premier. I hate to say this, but I'd rather the contract even go to S&B than see the American taxpayer gouged like this. I imagine the contract unit price is considerably less, but I think the competition would have likewise given a volume discount. So even if it's a drop in the defense spending bucket, there's $500,000 to a $1,000,000 sent down the rathole and a reward to one of the least innovative companies in the industry.
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Its actually an engineering marvel and quite innovative.  Before the USMC release the RFQ on the CQBSS we spoke with them on a consultant level.  Nothing existed at the time to come remotely close to what they wanted and at the time it seemed very far fetched that something would be able to be built to meet their request.
 
Leupold did not set out to gouge the military/tax payers and they are not.  They built the scope the USMC wanted to their specs with no compromises and that is what it cost to do it successfully.  This scope was not built to be marketed to civilians although they have made it available.  We've sold quite a few and the people that received them are glad to have them.
 
This scope would have never been designed and built if it were not for the USMC laying out the requirements for the ultimate dream scope to act in a CQBSS role for some of our most elite special forces.
 
It beat the Schmidt because it is better.
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You know better than I do Chris. I stand corrected.
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Just read up on this, not sure if it's true, but they say this was the only scope provided in time that met all of the criteria, and the price to develop this was probably significant which would explain some of the price tag.

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Goods always end up being several times more expensive than they normally would be when companies are dealing with the government and the great uncertainty, hassles, and inefficiencies inherent with complying with government contracts. 
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Everything costs more when dealing with the USG, regulatory compliance alone is probably a large part of that cost. 
 
Hell, look how much it has cost to just give money away! Loco 
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The RFQ was very detailed and specific in regards to the specifications with very little and in some cases no variance from Optimum to the Tolerance level.  Very new ground was broke while making this scope, not only by Leupold but also Premier and S&B.
 
Not even factoring in the engineering cost, the cost of production has to be extremely high as assembling this master piece cannot be an easy task. 
 
I think the nut of the cost is making it meet the environmental requirements, made me cringe just reading them thinking what our war fighters must endure.  Making one of the most advanced optical systems ever produced that can also survive the mil spec requirements that this unit had to pass had to be a monumental achievement for Leupold.  Kudos to them.
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I'd love to see Trijicon knock it out of the park.  With the same specs...

It's not that I don't like Leupold...

...it's just that I don't like Leupold...

I don't care what the bid Price is...

I think everything they manufacture is overpriced, I think the same about Burris as well.

HAASSS or HASS or HALLT or HALT testing I forget which one but Trijicon used to be the only manufacture that could pass 99.5%...




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While I am still a Leupold fan and still own several of their Mk4 scopes the thing I really dont get is why anyone would want a 24mm objective at any power over about 4x better 3.5x.  I tend to think that a 42mm to 50 mm is about ideal at least for me.  I also see no real value struggling to get below 1.5x I mean really how often will it be used there anyway,  and to me a top end of 6x to 8x might be OK but around 12x to 16x would seem to be far more desirable.  Something in a 2-12x42 would make way more sense to me especially with the range that an M2 has.  So my impression is not enough on the top end unnecessarily low on the bottom end and way too small of an objective.  I guess I really need to see one and understand what they are thinking.  I thought the 6x42 Trijicon ACOG made a dandy scope for the M2 but Im really a 6x42 type of shooter I want the optics bright in low light with enough power to get out several hundred yards and I feel like I can get onto something pretty darn close  pretty darn fast with a 6x scope.   The guns mentioned are both vehicle mounted platforms so why not a video based scope and a joy stick  remote control for the gun-- play and  spray from the convenience of your armored vehicle. It just boggles the mind why we would want anything but a video based system on a vehicle. If the enemy is in range -- so are you.
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Why am I thinking the ACOG has a 48 or 50 for objective???  It is huge.

This little info on this site was pretty funny, to me at least.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/04/19/leupold-supplying-marines-with-heavy-mg-scopes/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/tag/mk19/

GOOD SELLING ON LEUPOLD THOUGH CHRIS...

You are a good advocate for them.

I just have a tainted view since I used them in the Sand.


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For the weapon systems they say these optics are for I don't get it myself.  I will say a 1.1 to 8x magnification range is impressive.  Im sure the reticle is designed for the specific applications as mentioned but If I was going to mount optics on a Mark 19 I would go a different route.  Im glad the contract stayed in the US, but I have also been dissapointed with Leupold over the past few years.  I think they are learning form some mistakes, the tactical division is digging themselves out at least.
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Looks like they gave them a deal...

Rough cost for 728 Optics is only $3,339.42 per scope for a little over $2,431,098.72.
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What reticle does the military get?  Is it the same for the civilian version?

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The big question should have been,Did they ask the guys who will be using the scopes what they wanted???????????????????????????
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The article link above claims that the initial buy for these scopes totaled 2.43 million, which bought 728 scopes. That gives us a cost per unit of $3,337.91, which I guess would also cover shipping. That isn't as bad as the street cost of $3,999.95, but is still a sizable cost for an optic.

I can only hope that this new optic can save a few of our boy's lives... If it does, then I really don't care what they cost.


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Originally posted by gglass gglass wrote:

The article link above claims that the initial buy for these scopes totaled 2.43 million, which bought 728 scopes. That gives us a cost per unit of $3,337.91, which I guess would also cover shipping. That isn't as bad as the street cost of $3,999.95, but is still a sizable cost for an optic.

I can only hope that this new optic can save a few of our boy's lives... If it does, then I really don't care what they cost.


Excellent agreed
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Well I'm not the guy holding on to the spade grips, but I do wonder why 1.1-8x24.  1.1 mag. seems very low for heavy weapons, even in urban area use, 1.5 maybe but 1.1. 8 mag. doesn't seem to be enough for weapons capable of 1,500+ meter engagements. And a 24mm objective doesn't make sense at 8 power. I guess it beats iron sights though.
I wonder what the eye relief is, since your head is quite aways from the weapon when firing?
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I am glad the military got what they asked for and I am glad a US company won the bid.
Kudos to Leupold.
I have been pushing for changes too in their line up for some time, but I still like and use their scopes and will continue to do so.
I have no Mil/Leo background so my uses are simply for fun, hunting and competing.
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