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First I would like to say hi to everyone as this is my first post here.

Ok so I bought a rem 700 in a 300rum, it has a nikon buckmaster 4.5-14 x 40 scope with BDC recticle. So this is my first long range rifle and as such I am new to using scopes. This weapon is sighted in at 100 yrds ( I "think" it should be sighted at 200). I see alot of talk about "moa" I believe that's right but I have no clue. So heres the questions. What is this terminology "moa". How do you compensate for wind/elevation and such, I guess moreless I need a basic intro to scope use. Currently I live in Wisconsin and hunt deer in open fields of 100-600 yrds I know this weapon is capable of dropping deer at this range but I do not believe I am "yet". Any information on long range shooting and more specificaly the use of scopes would be great. Btw sighted in at 100 yrds but the turrets (which I dont know how to use) I believe is not properly set.
 
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Ok. so I did what I should have done before the post Wink  moa = minute of arc, and I also have a much better idea as to how that works, however I am still searching and not yet found wind variations, obviously first I will need to measure wind speed, but what is the formula of calculation to adjust for wind ?
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Well, welcome to optics talk! The 300 RUM would not have been my first choice for a first rifle. My first suggestion would be to by a .22 and another scope, practice with those. Learn how the turrets move the point of impact. The reason I suggest a .22 over your current rifle, is the cost of ammo will more than pay for the new investment,  and won't give you the flinch that the 300 will. Shooting is fun, but killing things is pretty serious. To be proficient with your rifle is going to take practice. But for the most part, it transfers from rifle to rifle, without the need to beat your shoulder to death.
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Sorry I may have mislead you somehow. I have a .22 rifle with scope that I target practice with, I also reload the 300 rum myself do to cost. I am not new to weapons at all, just new to using scopes for "long distance" shooting. I shoot with scopes on all my rifles but never beyond 200 yrds. I like to be sure when hunting I am killing the animal and not just wounding it. 
I have found some very helpful articles during my search in long distance shooting.
 
 
however it's always nice to get the input of others who have experience in the area in which one is studying. Any and all info is welcomed, thank you.
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Welcome


From where you are right now, to where you want to be, I'd go the direction Billy suggested. Thunbs Up


You will save enough in ammo learning to get the most out of your scope and your skill by using a .22 to pay for the rifle pretty quick. If you move the scope to your .22 you'll be accustomed to the sight picture and by figuring out all the adjustments you'll be much more capable of putting the scope back on the hunting rifle and getting it all dialed in quickly. 


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In my opinion, there are a lot of articles to be read, but nothing informs a shooter better than recoil. In other words, shoot! If you want to be proficient at 600yds, you have to shoot at 600yds. Reading the wind is not exact, it is an art, and a science. That I have yet to fully master! If you can afford it, take a course, if not, it's going to take more ammo. 
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A good thread to read about one of our member's journey into long range shooting.

http://www.opticstalk.com/need-the-best-tactical-scope_topic19504_page1.html
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

A good thread to read about one of our member's journey into long range shooting.

http://www.opticstalk.com/need-the-best-tactical-scope_topic19504_page1.html
I read all 35 pages, the one thing I got from that was simply trigger time, which dan obviously has very very little of. I try to get to the range atleast once a week, mostly with the .22. I think at this point after much reading I have come to the simple realisation that in order to shoot long range one simple needs to go get the trigger time doing it. Now to find a range in my area that offers long ranges.
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I posted before I read that you reloaded. If ammo cost is not a real issue to you, trigger time is going to be the best thing for you. 


My finances would dictate me swapping scopes. 

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Welcome to Optics Talk.
 
I had the exact same rifle, caliber and scope (Nikoplex reticle) as you do. Ended up putting a muzzle brake on that beast. Really calmed down the recoil, but it was a noisy bastard with the brake.
 
Yes, the BDC reticle is supposed to zero'd at 200 yads with a magnum like yours.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Welcome to Optics Talk.
 
I had the exact same rifle, caliber and scope (Nikoplex reticle) as you do. Ended up putting a muzzle brake on that beast. Really calmed down the recoil, but it was a noisy bastard with the brake.
 
Yes, the BDC reticle is supposed to zero'd at 200 yads with a magnum like yours.  
interesting, mine also has a muzzle brake, and agreed it definetly tamed it down but it is loud.
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Trigger time is hard to beat, but some things to remember on windage.
The wind is always blowing.
The direction and magnitude at the location you are shooting is the most important, because this force has the longest time to affect the bullet. The wind affects the bullet less and less the closer it gets to the target.
On long range targets past 600 yds there is generally 2 or mor"winds" blowing.
Correction for windage is made in moa or mil holdoff just like elevation.
Holdoff for corrections greater than 2 mil or around 6 moa should probably be dialed in from a ballistic drop sheet then shoot until the wind corrects the hit, don't chase the shot.
 
Become familiar with a computer ballistic program  
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Welcome to the OT,stick around ,there's alot of great knowledge on this site!
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