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So im looking to upgrade scopes on my BCM Middy and the US Optics SN-4S really caught my eye.

http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN4-400

I want a quality optic on a quality built AR and this fits my needs to a T. I've got other hole punchers and longer range rifles and i really want to keep my usage to 200 yards and in and eventually get into competition shooting.

I prefer a 1-4x optic over a traditional red dot because it does give you more versatility and precision when reaching out to further distances (ie 100-200 yards). This scope is compact, and weighs only 2 more ounces than the cheap Burris i have on there now. I'm getting closer to having the funds saved up and really feel a justifiable need to put a great scope on a great gun. US Optics will let you build the scope to your desire and specs which is a GREAT feature.

My question is this: I've not had any experience with US Optics products personally. I know they have a tremendous reputation and are top of the line quality. This scope also doesn't blow my bank account apart at right around $1170 per US Optics website. I'm not looking to spend more than that, and of the 1-4x scopes in that price range, im having a hard time finding something that peaks my interest more. I love the compact size and ruggedness, reticle selection, and obviously the reputation.

Anyone out there have first hand experience and if so what are your thoughts? Also, would you recommend going with a US Optics mount or some one else. Being shorter in length i imagine you'd need a pretty specific mount size to work. 

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I've had a SN-3 for just over a yr. and can only speak for quality and performance which is awesome. I have recently quoted another for later this yr. The only other make I would suggest looking at ts the IOR. Both are rugged, handle anything scopes and offer rings to fit whatever you are doing. Pricey, you bet but, they do what you want everyday all day. IOR may not match glass quality but they are very close and better than most competitors. The IOR may save you a few $ but you won't regret the US Optics if you get one. If you are Law or military don't forget to ask for a discount. It does help if they can do one. Let us know what you do. Good Luck!
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Im a US Optics junkie ... once I jumped on board I haven't looked back.  I have a couple SN-3's in 3.2-17 and 3.8-22 and they are VERY good optics.  The pure configurability options is a huge bonus with makes the model you like even more suited to your application.  Windage left or right ... Illum left or right ... Ergo ... T Pal ... whatever you dream up ... they will build it with whatever reticle you want.  They are made in the US and have GREAT customer service.  Tell Becky I said hello when you call Big Smile 
 
That being said - I don't have any US optics on my standard AR/M4's  I have a SN3 on a 24inch heavy varmit AR but thats not the application your looking for.  I run Aimpoints and ACOGs on my M4 and 20 inch but thats what the Army trained me to use.  I have not doubt you will be well served by a SN4.  I am waiting on the new SWFA SS 1x4 before I purchase that specific AR optic myself.  I have a SWFA HD 10x and a FFP 3x9 and both are great optics for the money.  Good luck in your search.
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Thanks to both of you for the great insight and service i might add. I'm a former C-130 loadmaster, and did 4 tours to Iraq and 1 to Afghanistan. Really enjoyed the job and working with all branches. Some of my most memorable missions were pulling out wounded troops from different locations and taking them back to Balad. It was an honor doing my best to help those guys out. My brother is an Army Ranger in 2nd bat and we really do have the best of the best.
 
I love having the option to run both eyes open on a true 1x with variable power. The versatility is very appealing for what i'll use it for. I was actually surprised to see how affordable the lower variables were, as i figured i'd be looking at $2000+ scopes.
 
US made, great company, great pride in good optics. I'm sold guys. It'll be another month or 2 but i think i've finally found what i'm looking for.
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I had an SN4, sold it here about a year ago.





It is a good optic, no question.  I would also, in that price range, look at the 1-4X Nightforce, another awesome scope - and with a zero stop.

My sole criticism of US Optics is glass quality: sometimes it is great, sometimes it is just decent - I've owned both.  Over the years, I've had maybe 5 USO scopes (and the spotter, for a short time, a good field scope, a terrible bench scope) and have been very pleased with their products and service.  There are few companies like USO (and SWFA) where you can call the company and speak to the owner about YOUR purchase.  To me, that has value.

A word of caution if you get the SN4, do not get the circle chevron reticle for precise shot placement.  I have an ongoing disagreement with a few here about the precision shot placement possible with a triangle reticle, and I contend (with some effort in the matter) that a point is nowhere near as good as a crosshair reticle.  I had the chevron, and that is the only reason I sold the scope.

Another monkey in the wrench is the soon-to-be-on-the-market SWFA SS1-4, illuminated, FFP, target turrets, and a decent bit less $$ than USO or Nightforce.  It will be a few months before it is out, but it is coming.

The Trijicon Accupoint is also quite good, though not nearly as many features as the USO or Nightfroce, but a very good optic nonetheless.
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Thanks Rancid. I agree completely on the chevron reticle. I've never liked them and think along the same lines you do regarding the precision. I'd much rather have the crosshair or ring with single dot. My eye likes them more and i'm not left wondering why my groups aren't tighter.
 
Rancid, could you throw in your comparisons of the nightforce nxs and sn-4s? When you speak of glass quality, you say sometimes it's decent, what level are we talking? Decent as in it shouldn't be priced over a grand? Strikes me funny that they'd have a shift like that in glass quality.
 
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USO has never been known for the best glass, they have always been famous for custom-built scopes that match what the shooter wants.  I will, unequivocally, claim the USO EREK elevation knob as my absolute favorite, best feel, best design, great for not getting lost on the turret when dialing from a long shot back to zero (and it can be set to function like a zero stop, but it takes some time and patience.)  The tricky part is that once you start customizing the base scope, prices increase.  Fast.

I've owned an SN3 3.2-17X with glass that roughly comapred with my Nightforce (so, entirely serviceable, but not the best) and I've owned one with glass that was on par with my Premier - it's just luck of the draw.  I've heard from recent buyers that their glass looks pretty good right now - but, again, glass ain't why you buy USO.

At the end of the day, unless something unique is needed in the scope, I think the NXS is a better value, but I accept that opinions vary.
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