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John and crew over at US Optics have started offering internal levels and I just got my hands on one.  Thought I would post up some pics etc.  I mounted it up on my varmit rig for now to run it through some tests and see how I like it.  I put a USO rail/swing level on the rifle and leveled the rifle ... then leveled the scope with the internal level in the scope.  Both levels reading dead center tightened up my rings etc.  Tested it on a plumb line with both levels showing center and all looked to be good to go.  once you cheek up on the rifle the level does not dominate the optic as you look through it and to get a good look at it you have to cheek up a bit.  In average shooting light its easy to reference.  Pics of the setup ... will post more info after this weekend when I shoot some 500 to 800 yard steel.

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sorry my camera is cheap and my photography skillz are lame ... I spend my $$$ elsewhere ....

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Sweet set up! That looks like the cat's ass!
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Sweet set up! That looks like the cat's ass!
 
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Gee, that looks exactly like the level in my Gen III Springfield Armory 6-20x56...
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Very niceExcellent

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Gee, that looks exactly like the level in my Gen III Springfield Armory 6-20x56...
 Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... And U.S.O. has a rock solid platform and mechanicals.
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Gee, that looks exactly like the level in my Gen III Springfield Armory 6-20x56...
 Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... And U.S.O. has a rock solid platform and mechanicals.
So you're saying that USO copied the SA Gen III's...  I've had mine for 12 years...
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I am not saying that... But it would appear so...The Springfield scopes had a great idea, it deserved to be copied by everybody! I will have to defer to your overall opinion of the S.A. scopes, as I have never looked through one. I do know that U.S.O. has a rock solid scope,reputation, and warranty.
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Very nice rig!
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probably had to wait a specific period of time to use the improvement patent.  Good idea though.
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Good for USO.

I hope it is executed well.

I have yet to see an internal bubble level in a scope that is properly executed (i.e. does not compromise the rest of the functionality of the scope).

I am currently testing a Konus scope that has an internal bubble level, and while I like the idea, I am not sure I am happy with the execution.

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I like mine...
  I would probably rather have the US Optics, regardless of how the bubble is executed.  From the picture it doesn't look as "subdued" as the one in my SA. 
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Good for USO.

I hope it is executed well.

I have yet to see an internal bubble level in a scope that is properly executed (i.e. does not compromise the rest of the functionality of the scope).

I am currently testing a Konus scope that has an internal bubble level, and while I like the idea, I am not sure I am happy with the execution.

ILya
Can you elaborate more on what not great about the execution?  Does it not line up with the reticle leveled or what? 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Good for USO.

I hope it is executed well.

I have yet to see an internal bubble level in a scope that is properly executed (i.e. does not compromise the rest of the functionality of the scope).

I am currently testing a Konus scope that has an internal bubble level, and while I like the idea, I am not sure I am happy with the execution.

ILya
Can you elaborate more on what not great about the execution?  Does it not line up with the reticle leveled or what? 

That is one of the problems I have seen in the past.  Then there are others: 
-to see the bubble you need to move your head, 
-tunnel vision is increased, 
-I have seen a bubble leak out inside the scope,
etc

ILya
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Good for USO.

I hope it is executed well.

I have yet to see an internal bubble level in a scope that is properly executed (i.e. does not compromise the rest of the functionality of the scope).

I am currently testing a Konus scope that has an internal bubble level, and while I like the idea, I am not sure I am happy with the execution.

ILya
I was worried it would be a distraction, similiar to shooting at 100 yards on say 20x and watching the crosshairs bounce.  I am happy to say it isn't.  Was using it this weekend in full sunlight and the positioning of it is such that its kind "in the shadows" so to speak.  When you focus on the crosshairs and target it fades out and you don't even notice it.  It does take away a small portion of the bottom of the scopes vertical field of view.  In the SN3 3.2-17 w/ GAP reticle, at 17x the toop of the bubble is approx 1.5 mils below the 9 mil mark on the reticle.  When shooting I would get on target, reference level, POD-Lock, back to target and engage.  You have to shift your focus insdie the scope to use it.  Sunlight and the Illuminated Reticle do not influence it or bring it out more in the view.  Its a nice feature and thus far I am pleased with its performance.  I basically reference it prior to sending a shot and if the bubble is between the lines I send it, if its slamed to the extreme left or right I would adjust.  This is faster I think than having to open my off eye to reference the level.  Eventually Im moving this scope to a 308 bolt gun and want to put it side by side another 308 bolt I have with a USO 3.8-22 ERGO and shoot the same course of fire back to back with each rifle to compare Internal Level and TPAL vs External Level (USO Swing) and ERGO.  Engage 5 targets at various unknown distances with + and - slope involved.  I would change the firing point and elevation so I have to range and calculate angle again otherwise its kind of pointless as the setup that went second would have a data advantage.  Thats my plan anyway - hope to get done soon but I still have to break in and develop a load for one of the rifles ... But ill keep you posted.

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