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Will there be any upgraded models of the SS optics? I myself would be willing to pay a few more bucks for nicer glass and a bolder mil-dot reticle. What I do like is that many many scopes costing no less that 3 times as much don't have the amount of travel in the turrets that SS has. I would be buying a 16x SS right now just for that if it came with better glass and side focusing knob. Is there any way to change this? Are there any "scope doctors" that I can take these optics to for an uprade on the glass?

 

Sadly I think that I'm going to end up buying a nightforce optic because they at least have 100moa of travel which is at least better than the similar product that Leupold puts out. I'm not saying to upgrade change the existing scope models. I'm just saying that you guys already have a good enough name to get into the market of higher quality optics. If SWFA made these types of changes and kept the same range of adjustment in the turrets and just came out with a higher priced but also higher valued optic there would be a market for it, esp with 50bmg shooters. Keep the same old SS just come out with a different model. Hell, even give it a different name!

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Understand what you're saying.

The counterpoint would be that if SWFA had 1000 units in stock at this moment, they'd be gone by Friday of the next week. 

That's not bad for the glass it already has.
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Well, I AM going to upgrade my SS to a Nightforce, but that is just because of the optical quality.  The SS 10x has been working perfectly on my .50 BMG for a few hundred rounds now.  For the price, I don't think it can be beat.  If I didn't want the resolution and magnification for 1000 yd FCSA matches, I'd keep the SS on it forever.


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It would be nice if SWFA added one more scope to the list for 1000 yard target with a decent magnification, 1/8" moa adjustments, and the gen2 mildot reticle.
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Originally posted by The.Shooter The.Shooter wrote:

It would be nice if SWFA added one more scope to the list for 1000 yard target with a decent magnification, 1/8" moa adjustments, and the gen2 mildot reticle.

 

Why in the wide world of sports would you WANT 1/8 adjustments on a scope like that, friend??

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I was thinking it would be nice to have a 6x Super Sniper. I guess thats why they make so many models of scopes there is always a fool out there somewhere that it will appeal to.

 

I only have one scope with 1/8 moa clicks and I wish it was 1/4 moa clicks that's just too many clicks to count.



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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by The.Shooter The.Shooter wrote:

It would be nice if SWFA added one more scope to the list for 1000 yard target with a decent magnification, 1/8" moa adjustments, and the gen2 mildot reticle.

 

Why in the wide world of sports would you WANT 1/8 adjustments on a scope like that, friend??

 

When you are shooting at 1000 yards and you want to get a group as tight as possible, you want very fine adjustments.  1/4 MOA at 100 yards makes a 2.5 inch adjustment at 1000 yards.  Enough to lose an aggregate match.

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Almost every tactical style shooter I have ever read about prefered 1/4" adjustments.

 

I'm not sure I'm tracking. (Pun intended.)

I freely admit to never having shot in a 1000 yard match either.

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I would think a purpose-built uber-high magnification scope with 1/8" adjustments (35x +) would be more the ticket then, with that criteria.  Myself, I would love to finally see the Variable SS's with metric adjustments and side focus.  I think metric is ideal, a little over 1/3 inch (i.e. 1cm)...I like 1/2 moa but metric works best and I don't care for 1/4 but it is pretty much standard and I've learned to live with it, usually if I can read the dials it's not a problem....counting all those clicks drives me batty in low light
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Almost every tactical style shooter I have ever read about prefered 1/4" adjustments.

 

I'm not sure I'm tracking. (Pun intended.)

I freely admit to never having shot in a 1000 yard match either.

 

If I'm doing tactical shooting then I would never use anything but .25 MOA.  After all, I can still get pink mist even if I'm off an inch or two.  But in F/TR competition, the idea is to get as close to one hole as possible and I believe the new world record is about a 2" spread at 1000 yards.

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Originally posted by sandsock sandsock wrote:

I would think a purpose-built uber-high magnification scope with 1/8" adjustments (35x +) would be more the ticket then, with that criteria.  Myself, I would love to finally see the Variable SS's with metric adjustments and side focus.  I think metric is ideal, a little over 1/3 inch (i.e. 1cm)...I like 1/2 moa but metric works best and I don't care for 1/4 but it is pretty much standard and I've learned to live with it, usually if I can read the dials it's not a problem....counting all those clicks drives me batty in low light

 

Yup.  Having SWFA make an uber scope with fine adjustments that provides the repeatability, maintaining zero, and at the price point they aim at would be terrific.  Especially with the repeatability and rock stable zero.  mmmmmmm super long range scope.  Hummmmmm mmmmm pooorrrkkk chops.

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I think as long as I'm going to fantasize about a FFP Metric SS Variable, I might as well add Remington coming out with a 700P in 338 Lapua...I think the reality is 1/4 moa which is a compromise that makes most people happy (but neither of us for opposite reasons)...I'm prepared to live with 1/4
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The reason why the SS's are so cheap is that they don't have a lot of models.  When you have to R&D something it costs money, and that cost is put into not just the new models, but all of them.  If you want better glass and all those things you will have to buy a different brand.  Sandsock has it right, everything is a compromise so that you can sell more units and reduce the price.  However Falcon optics are supposed to be making a FFP Metric variable scope.  I don't know anything about those scopes, and they are not sold at SWFA so they may not even be that good.
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Look at the fire that I've started! I didn't mean to do all of that. I just suggested nicer glass more than anything else. It's a bit much to ask a company to start manufacturing completely different optics that have the following; variable power, 1/8 moa turrets, metric adjustments, more magnification. These people make tactical riflescopes intended for use in real world missions. So, if anything this company may want to consider junking its 20x optics as far as manufacturing goes until they can be manufactured with better glass and/or a wider bell in front.

 

I just believe that these optics and their users in real world situations can greatly benefit from better glass and a side focus option on all models. The turrets are excellent, the optics are tougher than the Jededia Smith, and 1/4 moa is the only type of adjustment a tactical optic should have. Of course your talking to a guy that knows for a fact that if you jerry rig a pvs 14 to a 3.5-10x mk4 that you can only get to 6x before the light transmission goes in the toilet. I have never tried this on a SS 10X and nor do I want to due to the current quality of the glass. I have owned an SS optic to go with my own weapon and have compared it to my units. In decent light there aren't any real grounds for comparison and it beats the M3 hands down. I have recently sold that weapon and optic as I have gone back to Leupold for my other rifles.

 

These are the features that would make th SS the scope for most professional marksman today:

 

Bolder reticle

Better light transmission

Variable power for doing urban patrols with our M14s

A side focus option because it's just far more convenient.

 

 

Keep everything else because it all works better than most optics on the market. I'm sure that most guys would not mind paying double the current price of your most expensive optic for these features and they would still beat every other scope on the market for price vs quality. Again, I am not saying to discontinue the current line. I am just saying that it would be nice to have another line of optics with these options, and I'm sure that the U.S. government will take notice as well. I understand that SS has an NSN number on the GSA system and all of that happy crap but if they expect to keep that contract in the long run there are certain needs that need to be met. If they are not you'll end up with a bunch of grunts already disgruntled with their current life situation talking about how much they hate SS because they aren't on the same level with Leupold. These guys don't care about the price that their gov. paid for their equipment. They care about what they have while in sector and what they wish that they had in sector.

 

Most of our newest optics have these features and an illuminated reticle from Leupold. One thing that I cannot stand is that they are doing away with the dots and going towards hash marks for mil gradients. Maybe it's just me not liking change and being stubborn/ignorant because the tac milling reticle does work fine as well.

 

One thing that I will be happy with is when all of our M3s with their less than fine adjustments and their wimpy little turret screws find their way into an antique shop.

 

One more need that can be addressed although I think other companies are filling this gap quite well. It would be nice if SWFA could make an indestructible version of the main subject in the next paragraph.

 

There is also market for a medium power (5x) optic to go on m4s and 16s alike as many soldiers have found out that shooting someone in a room is far less likely than shooting at a running trigger man or an ambush set 200+m out. Another plus is that it helps to identify hostiles vs non-hostiles during incidents which cuts down on non-combatant deaths that have to be investigated after the fact. I hate investigations, not because they bother me personally but they make many soldiers have to justify themselves to non-combat soldiers on why they pulled they trigger. Leaders many times have to build their soldiers back up again just to make sure that they will make the right decision again the next time. Have I justified the market for a mid range optic for decent number of combat soldiers yet? I and many like myself have and do use them. I'm not saying that all soldiers should have them because there is always going to be a need for close quarters optics like EOtech which outperforms aimpoint in every category except battery life but at least EOtech (AA not CR123) batteries are easier to get your hands on in a third world country, or even a gas station on the border of ours.

 

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