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My needs:

Porro
Landscape view
The best optical quality possible


I almost bought a Leupold, but I just didnt do it because it was roof. For 370 dollars I could buy something much better for porro, right?


What you, super experienced guys recommend me?
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I want 10 ou 12x of magnification.
I want 10 ou 12x of magnification.
I want 10 ou 12x of magnification.


Some binos I have found.
But it doesnt mean I dont accept sugestions. I am a newbie, 35 years old and have 400 dolars to spend with a good pair of binos.

Steiner Police 10x50
http://www.binoculars.com/binoculars/military-binoculars/10x50police.cfm#ReviewHeader

Leupold Black 10x50 Mesa
http://www.binoculars.com/binoculars/bird-watching-binoculars/leupoldsportsopticsmesabinocularsblack1.cfm

I need quality, I dont need waterproof. I want to see everything clear and clean FROM EDGE TO EDGE. ( I HATE edge distortion)
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The Mesa 10x50 is a nice binocular.  My brother has had one for a long time, and it gives good views and has never needed service.
 
I don't know why you are stuck on higher magnification, but more numbers in the x column do not necessarily lead to better images with better visible detail.  Often the reverse is the result, particularly when not spending a lot of money. 
 
Having said that, look at the Swift Audubon 8.5x44 porro.  It comes in a regular and ED version, the non-ED bring available for less than $300 usually, and the ED being usually around $400, maybe a bit more.  If you need a roof prism, quality image and with a budget like yours, these are the way to go, IMO.
 
For another $50 and in a roof, rather than a porro, I would seriously recommend to you look at a ZEN ED 2 from Zen Ray.  SWFA has recently become a dealer
 
Some edge distortion is a simple fact of life.  It is there to some degree no matter who makes the binocular or what you pay for it.  This is one place where the more you spend, the more it can be minimized.
 
To answer the stargazing question, the answer is pretty much any decent binocular can be used double duty for some birding and some star watching.  The requirements change a bit for dedicated astronomy binoculars, where extra weight and larger objectives have their place. 


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Klamath, I couldnt be more glad. THANKS a lot for your opinion.

Now I will ask something different:

I have never used roof binoculars before, only porro (Zhumell 25x100 - good; Barska 10x50 - piece of sh*t).

I enjoy watching landscape view. Do you think that a Roof will be better than Porro?
I mean, I can buy a Leupold Olympic which is roof, 10x50, and have great reviews. But I heard too about the "3D sensation" of porro. Well, I haver never used roof before, cant compare...


Dont worry, I have never used a roof before, so anything you say I wont disagree. 
Again, THANKS a lot.
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I want image quality. Doesnt matter if its porro or roof, I guess...

Actually, for landscape view, I have no idea about the difference between porro or roof. I know the technical difference between then, only this.

I am in love with some Leupold, but.. they are all roof.
Again: have no idea about landscape view
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Well, the image characteristics of a roof and a porro are somewhat different.  The porro, with its wider set eyepieces will often give the impression of a deeper image, or one with a bit better aparrent depth of focus, often referenced as an enhanced 3-D effect.  That image difference is more obvious to some people than others.  Roof prisms have been getting better lately in the range of your budget, so that may affect people to a lesser degree today. 
 
The Swift has a 430' fov and the ZEN 8x is 426'.  Contrast that to the 10x50 Mesa at 273'.  So when you crank up magnification, the fov automatically decreases.  So does field of view usually decrease when the objective diameter increases.
 
 
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I still dont understand this 3D effect.
If I take a picture of a landscape view with roof binos and another pic. with porro binos, how would they look?

This is the only thing that is preventing me to buy, or not, the Leupold.
Ah, your explanation about fov is terrific! THanks! But I really need 10x mag.
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The 3-D effect is something that affects the image more for some than others.  Don't worry about it.  Concentrate on how the overall image looks to you.
 
Simply as a matter of curiosity, why is it you think you need 10x?


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So, I will definetely buy a roof. Why? Lightweight and qualifity of Leupoold.

I need, well, at least I think I need 10x mag. because I travel a lot to the beach. I enjoy observing islands which are 2 km. far away, I love observing people and nature which are 2km away from me too, and I love observing birds, which are usually in my beach house yard about 10meters away.

Steve, thanks a lot for your opinion, you dont know how much you are helping me.
So, I will buy a Leupold, but now I have this doubt: 8x or 10x mag.?

Will it affect my view? I mean, I am looking at a distant island, distant people, so I think I dont need high FOV. I dont know, YOU are the one who understand my needs!
I would be glad if you, one more time, could help me with your knowledge.

Thanks!
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I was looking at the Leupold 10x42/50 and I found these:

Arcadia
Mojave
Cascades
Pinnacle

Which one is the best? I mean, talking about imagem quality and weight?

Or, do you have any other suggestion, like Vortex for example?

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Steve, sorry for another message, but you are my master now. He he he.

I was looking at leupold.com and I saw the Mojave 8x42. My God, 6.5º degrees and 5.25 of exit pupil. This must be an excelent bino, isnt it?
And its so lightweight that I could take it anywhere I go... I think.
Well, lets wait for your opinion.
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6.5* is not very wide for an 8x.  Wide field is typically considered 60* afov.  The Mojave is 52*.
 
I have not used a Mojave, only looked through a couple in stores, but they seem pretty good.  That 6.5* is certainly usable, and less fov often helps decrease edge distortion.  However, I think the Leupold Green Ring series binoculars are all pretty decent buys.
 
Leupold stuff usually is not too hard to find (at least some of their stuff) in a decent Sporting Goods store.  Do some looking and find one that suits you.  WHat matters is if you like it, not somebody else.  I personally would rank the Leupold Green Rings as follows (best to good) Pinnacle, Mojave, Cascade, Olympic, Acadia.  Not very much difference in top and bottom.  So if a Cascade suits you, don't loose too much sleep over whether one of the others would have been better.  You will drive yourself nuts if you do that.  Same deal if you like the Mojave instead of the Cascade.
 
Try as many as you can before you buy.  Make your choice and enjoy it for what it is, not what it might me.  ANy binocular is a set of compromises, and none are perfect at this level.


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I sent you a PM!
Thanks!
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I would tend to agree with Klamath.  I just bought the 10x43 Zen EDII's and can't be more pleased.  I have compared these to glass that was 3 times the money and I would have to say that the light transmission in the Zens beat the 1500 Zeiss without any hesitation.  In fact, the owner of the Zeiss, was mad!
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This is enough: I will buy the Zen-Ray 10x43 ED2 this Thursday.

THANKS to all the guys that posted here!

I am new at roof prism binos.
Do you think I should post a review after I get them?

I mean, there are a lot of reviews made my advanced binos users here and when the newbies (like me he he he) need some advice, we get confused because sometimes its hard to understand if the binoculars "X" or "Y" are really good or not for a newbie!

Thanks a lot, really!
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post what you find!  I don't think that you'll be disappointed!
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Based on my new and limited expereince with my new Zen 10x ED2.....you can't go wrong.  What a view!  I've now looked through them side by side with my trinovid (advantage Zen), my neighbor's SLC (slight advantage to Zen), and the EL (slight advantage to the EL).  Enjoy.
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Brunoleke, if you enjoy viewing islands and other objects 2km away, why not save up for a good spotting scope? 
I have both 8X and 10X binoculars, and unless I am resting the 10X on a stationary surface, I truly cannot discern any greater detail through my 10X than my 8X bins.  So, to me, having the extra 2X is not worth the narrower FOV, the greater image shake, and the smaller exit pupil.
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Ted (funny nickname he he he) and JGRaider:

I've just bought (5 mins ago) the 8x43 ED2 model :)

I am just waiting (about 25 days...) for it arrive here!

By the way, I had a 25x100 Zhumell Tachyon.
The imagem was clear, crisp, and perfect.
But imagine you that i weighted 22 pounds. PLUS, I had to carry the tripod.
I dont want this anymore...

THANKS for the advices!
REALLY, REALLY, thanks! As soon I get it, I will contact you to tell about it! ok?

Hugs!
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Sounds good, brunoleke!  I predict you will be very pleased with your ZR 8X43 ED2!  We look forward to hearing your impressions of your new binocular.

I understand how cumbersome a spotting scope and tripod can be at times compared to binoculars, but then, you can get a good spotting scope and tripod combination that is much lighter than your Zhumell.

I appreciate the hugs, but if it's all the same, I'll let JGRaider give a couple extra hugs on my behalf!Wink
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Hahaha!
Here in Brazil, if a person doesnt say hugs (for men) or (kisses) to women, this person is "antipathetic, unfriendly, unlikeable". Seriously!

Sorry, I am not in Brazil, I know I know...

Ted. Could you tell me something?

I have this question:

My last (and unique) binoculars were a pair of Barska 10x50 Wide angle. 34 dollars. 400ft of FOV.


I just wanted to know how impressed will I be when I look through my Zen-Ray.
Is there too much difference, or not so much?
Sorry, I just dont know!


And I really want to know how good are they, compared to these Barska I had:

http://www.competitor.net/barska-xtreme-view-10x50-wide-angle-binoculars-ab10598.html

Thanks!
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brunoleke, one quick look through those Zen Ray ED2's will make you feel like you've been looking through a dirty window with those Barska's.  It will be a first round, 10 second TKO.

Ted, thanks for sharing the hugs, my friend! Big Smile


Edited by JGRaider - August/25/2009 at 10:20
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I thought "Wow! These are really good! Crisp images" ha ha ha!
Well, they were my first pair of binoculars...

Just cant wait them to see some birds.
By the way, do you all hunt?
here in Brazil its against the law. Well, in Brazil, people dont aprove this kind of hm... "hobby".

Only spearfishing. By the way, I do spearfish!
But I cant use binoculars underwater he he he!
Imagine me, looking at a distant big fish with a pair of Zeiss, underwater.
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