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a friend of mine gave me about one houndred and forty  7mm/08 reloads that don't fit his ruger.  we tried to make them smaller by  re putting them in the die no good.  I was wondering what is the safest way to remove the bullet so  I can resize  the brass.  the bolt won't close on them.

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A bullet puller....it's a plastic hammer....you put the round in it and hit it on a table and the force throws the bullet out of the case.....Big Smile








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Hornady also makes a collet die that allows u to pull the bullets using a single stage press. It works really well, much simpler than a hammer puller. But much more expensive.
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http://www.opticstalk.com/bullet-puller_topic38247.html

cheap found this unit, I still need to get one but looks fairly simple.

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http://www.hornady.com/store/Cam-Lock-Bullet-Puller-1-Each/

That's what I use, it is very easy, and not expensive.

If you have to break down 140 rounds, don't even consider the hammer. I have one, I hate it, that's why I went to the turret-mounted puller.
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Me too.  The turret mount is like butter.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

http://www.hornady.com/store/Cam-Lock-Bullet-Puller-1-Each/

That's what I use, it is very easy, and not expensive.

If you have to break down 140 rounds, don't even consider the hammer. I have one, I hate it, that's why I went to the turret-mounted puller.

if you tried to break down 7 boxes of ammo with the hammer you would either break it in the process by accident, or break it on purpose cause they really suck if you have to do more than about 3 rounds.
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Ive done lots with the plastic hammer- it isnt fun.

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I just pulled a bunch of .223 rounds via the "hammer". Wow....it sucked. 
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I broke my hammer. I'd rather just throw the reloads away than to use that hammer.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

I broke my hammer. I'd rather just throw the reloads away than to use that hammer.

Haha...no kidding! I actually got tired and stopped with about 30 rounds left. I'm threw them in a bag and wrote "spotters" are on side. 
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The hammer is awful, for sure.  The turret-mount is good, but magnificent compared to the hammer.


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I have a press-mounted puller (made by Forster, I believe). I've rarely used it, but it worked well when I needed to pull about 50 rds. Even if it worked, I'd be nervous trying to resize loaded ammo!
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Even if it worked, I'd be nervous trying to resize loaded ammo!

I've done it multiple times, but it does get a little creepy. I need a case gauge now that I think about it. 
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Originally posted by 257nut 257nut wrote:

We tried to make them smaller by  re putting them in the die no good. 


I missed this part initially. Why couldn't you get it to work? 
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A loaded round will not fit into a sizing die.

Often times I pull bullets in two steps. 
Get it started w/ the kinetic (hammer) puller, then finish w/ the collet. 

On tough customers like old military rounds that are 'glued' & crimped, you might want to break the clinch by running them into a seater die and pushing the bullet down just a bit. 
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Originally posted by hatton mann hatton mann wrote:

A loaded round will not fit into a sizing die.


Respectfully Sir, YES you can. I just did it a few seconds ago on a LOADED .308 round, wielding a 168gr Sierra Matchking, LC brass in a .308 Winnie RCBS short base, FLS die. I did so today to make sure I had done it before and wasn't mistaken. It's been a while since I did so. I believe I have even done it with a .223 Rem Lee FLS die, after I pulled the guts out of it. But, I'm not entirely sure about that. 

I'm NOT recommending others run out and try it, but it works and has worked for me. Now, I haven't separated the rounds I've resized loaded and put them against the ones that were loaded the conventional way to see if there was any difference such as pressure signs or a change in the point of impact, but you can get them to chamber now, where before they would not.   
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Make sure to lubricate the case before resizing too. 
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Mark Did you ever find one of the grip&pull tools you posted last year? That looked like the quickest tool ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQPsmgz_HAQ
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To my knowledge, a Redding Body Die is the ONLY die that will resize a loaded round.

The body die does not size the neck, only the case body and shoulder, and it does not have a depriming rod. 

Any full length die that normally re-expands the neck by an expander ball should resize the neck also and so a loaded round should not fit up into the neck sizing forcing cone up in the die.  If a full length die did not size the neck down (which won't work on a loaded round), then the expander would not need to re-expand and the neck should not hold a bullet.


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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Mark Did you ever find one of the grip&pull tools you posted last year? That looked like the quickest tool ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQPsmgz_HAQ

No, I never did. Yeah that is cool.  
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

To my knowledge, a Redding Body Die is the ONLY die that will resize a loaded round.

The body die does not size the neck, only the case body and shoulder, and it does not have a depriming rod. 

Any full length die that normally re-expands the neck by an expander ball should resize the neck also and so a loaded round should not fit up into the neck sizing forcing cone up in the die.  If a full length die did not size the neck down (which won't work on a loaded round), then the expander would not need to re-expand and the neck should not hold a bullet.



I just did two more with a RCBS small base FLS die, Bob. 
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Although it is a bit spooky to run live rounds into a sizing die, I've used the body die sakomato mentioned a few times on live rounds with success. As he said, a body die has no expander button or decapping pin, and doesn't touch the neck at all. It only sizes the body and shoulder. Depending on your chamber dimensions, you have to be careful not to move the shoulder back too far, as you can create excess headspace and the round will move forward too much in the chamber during firing pin strike, causing your rifle to go "click" instead of "boom."
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

To my knowledge, a Redding Body Die is the ONLY die that will resize a loaded round.

The body die does not size the neck, only the case body and shoulder, and it does not have a depriming rod. 

Any full length die that normally re-expands the neck by an expander ball should resize the neck also and so a loaded round should not fit up into the neck sizing forcing cone up in the die.  If a full length die did not size the neck down (which won't work on a loaded round), then the expander would not need to re-expand and the neck should not hold a bullet.



I just did two more with a RCBS small base FLS die, Bob. 

It's a miracle!!!  Shall we call it immaculate sizing?  Big Grin

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/597261/rcbs-small-base-sizer-die-308-winchester?cm_vc=ProductFinding

Question, does the die size the neck down during regular sizing and then the expander re-expands so the neck will hold the bullet?  That would mean the die is trying to size the neck down well below caliber.

I assume you removed the decapping/expander rod since the loads in question had a bullet in the neck.  So the interior of the die at the neck should be squeezing the neck down, probably a minimum of .004" before the expander (usually .002" to .003" below caliber) comes back through.

So you are compressing the neck with the bullet in it down a minimum of .003"?  I am amazed!  Didn't think it could be done!  Learned something  Shocked

Did it do any damage to the bullet and what happens when the compressed bullet is going down the barrel at a smaller diameter?


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That's the one I have, Bob.  

I did remove the "guts", but I haven't used that dies expander ball or decapping pin in years. (I thought the expander ball was causing run out.) 
So to address your question, I'd wager that I the rounds I did today were intially FLS'd without the expander ball and the primer was knocked out with a Lee Decapping Die.  

I'm going to do some more checking on neck tension and run out. I tried a total of 3 rounds today and those rounds were in my "spotters". I do know that the OAL length did not change. As far as neck tension, I can't imagine it would matter much. About like a factory crimp, I would think. 

I've long since shot the rounds from the last time I "Immaculately Sized" them and I don't recall any difference in POI shift or anything like pressure issues, sticky bolts, etc. 

I'm fairly sure I've bumped some .223 Remington rounds too with Lee Deluxe FLS, but maybe not.  
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